DD trust in Snape again. WAS: Evil Hermione

[pippin_999]

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> Alla:
> 
> That's chronology question. I am saying that Dumbledore would need 
> dramatic reason to trust Snape "sorry" that if nothing else, plot 
> will require it.
> 
> I think IF Snape is on DD side, he did something that convinced DD 
> that Snape is not on DE side and if DD simply believed that Snape is 
> sorry, without having some kind of proof, well then my opinion of his 
> intelligence would go further down.
> 
> Does it make sense? Are you saying that DD valued Snape friendship 
> still when Snape went to serve Voldy and that is what caused him to 
> trust that Snape is sorry?

Pippin:
Yes, you make sense, but what you are saying to me is that you don't
believe in second chances for DE's and if Dumbledore does, he's an idiot.
Harry did not ask for proof from Ron that Ron would never be jealous
of him again, and he didn't ask for proof from Hermione that Hermione
would never rat him out to the authorities again. He didn't even ask
Hermione to admit she'd done him wrong -- all  he needed was the 
realization that she cared about Hagrid and Buckbeak as much as Harry 
did and was begging for his help even though he and Ron had been
snubbing her for months.

If Snape went to Dumbledore and said, "It's my fault Voldemort has
gone after Lily and James. I'm a Death Eater and I told Voldemort about
the prophecy you heard from Trelawney. I never meant it to happen.You 
can do what ever you want to me but you've got to save them" I honestly
don't think Dumbledore would need anything else. After all, Snape was
risking Azkaban or summary justice from the Aurors just by 
admitting what he was.

> > Alla:
> > > Alla, who also thinks that DD intended to say more because Harry 
> as  an agrrieved party deserved to know.
> > 
> > Pippin:
> > I still don't get this. You are a lawyer, so maybe you can explain, 
> at least in your jurisdiction...if a criminal's record has been sealed 
> by the court, for example because he was a juvenile, do the aggrieved 
> parties have a right to look at it? Do you think they deserve to?
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Um, there are many things happening in legal system Pippin that I 
> think should not happen, just as there are many things in Potterverse 
> that I HOPE will not happen the way they would happen in legal system.
> 
> And Harry getting the reasons of why DD trusted the man who had a 
> hand in delivering his parents to Voldemort ( as I see it) is one of 
> those things.
> 
Pippin:
Okay, so you are asserting  a right which Harry would not have even
in the usually liberal USA and certainly wouldn't have in the UK where
there is an Official Secrets Act, because he personally wants it.

IIRC. In that case, why shouldn't we assert that wizards have the right 
to keep others as slaves and that teachers have the right to use their 
power as they see fit? I don't think JKR is going there.

It won't look very good if Harry thought Peter should be turned over to 
the Ministry, but insists on being judge, jury and executioner for  Snape.
That would clearly be putting his personal interest
ahead of justice. I can't believe that JKR, supporter of Amnesty 
International, would think that is a good idea.

I think Harry will get the reason that Dumbledore trusted Snape,
from Snape himself, but by then he won't need it.

Alla:
> By the way, how do you know that Wisengamot sealed Snape's records?
> 
> Is there a reference that people are not allowed to talk about his 
> past after those GoF proceedings?

Pippin:
It is implied because Sirius and Fudge seem to be very familiar with
who was tried, and Fudge says there are public records, but no one
seems to know as of GoF that Snape had been a Death Eater. 
Dumbledore says that Snape was "cleared" by the tribunal. Not that
he is out on parole or that his release was in any way conditional.
You might accuse Dumbledore of being soft on DE's, but hardly
Crouch, and it was Crouch who was ultimately responsible for 
letting Snape off -- apparently with literal amnesty (which as I
am sure you know, means 'forgetting').

Pippin