DD trust in Snape again. WAS: Evil Hermione

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No: HPFGUIDX 154671

> wynnleaf
> This is not surprising in SS/PS or other early years.  But by the 
> time of OOTP, once would think a 15 year old would give at least a 
> tiny bit of thought to what Snape did in saving the lives of Harry 
> and his friends. 

Alla:

Why would Harry give any thought to Snape saving his life ( which I 
completely disagree happened multiple times, but see below for that) 
if for five years all that Snape was doing ( the way I see it) 
sadistically tormenting Harry and NOT only during the lessons but 
also in between of those?

Why would fifteen year old suddenly change his mind about the man 
who ( the way I see it)attacked him as a vicious dog ( IMO of 
course) on the very first lesson, who took a book from him when he 
was reading outside, who tormented Harry with the name of his dead 
father, whom it turns out Snape is complicit in putting to his 
grave - IMO of course.

Snape gives a VERY nice explanation of why he bothered to save 
Harry's life in Spinner End. It could be of course that he is 
playing a game, but consider for a second if what Snape says there 
is actually the truth.

Isn't it interesting that Dumbledore does NOT insist at all that 
eleven year old Harry thank Snape for saving his life?

Instead Dumbledore gives Harry IMO a very clear suggestion that the 
ONLY reason Snape tried to save Harry was  that he was hoping to pay 
his life debt and be done with it?

Isn't it possible that Dumbledore is right here?

It is funny because it is still would have been nice for eleven year 
old to thank Snape ( not that I blame him one second for not doing 
it after the year Snape gave him, but Dumbledore supposed to know 
better. So WHY he does not insist that Harry at least writes Snape a 
thank you note or something?


 > wynnleaf
<SNIP>
> Certainly it is understandable that Snape's attitude toward Harry 
> over the years as caused Harry to dislike him.  But Snape has done 
> little to Harry other than sarcasm, insults, unfair detentions or 
> lost points, etc.  Harry absolutely refuses to consider *anything* 
> that Snape has ever done *for* him, even when Dumbledore is 
sitting 
> right in front of him telling him about it.

Alla:

But if one evaluates what Snape did to Harry as continuous 
destruction of Harry's dignity on the day to day basis, then bigger 
picture becomes something very different IMO.

As in that NOTHING that Snape ever did for Harry, if anything 
overweights what Snape did against Harry. That is just my opinion of 
course.

Carol:
<SNIP>
 (Maybe *that's* what motivates Snape--not 
> the
> > life debt to James or love of Lily but guilt for placing the 
> burden of
> > saving the WW on the Boy Who Lived.)

Alla:

Maybe, but I would hope to hear it from Snape that he feels guilty. 
Just once.


> wynnleaf,
> I agree.  However, I don't necessarily think that JKR will take 
> Harry step by step through each of those items.  Mainly, Harry has 
> to realize what's really been going on and that general nastiness -
- 
> petty insults, detentions, etc. -- do not an Evil One make.  Real 
> actions, like saving lives, putting one's own life on the line to 
> serve the greater good, etc., count a great deal.

Alla:

I'd like again refer you to Spinner End and imagine the possibility 
that everything that Snape said there is a truth.

What "bigger actions" are we talking about then?

JMO,

Alla, who thinks that there is only ONE piece of evidence in the 
books which she cannot explain in the light of evil Snape and NO, 
that is not saving Harry in PS/SS, but who is not saying what it 
is. :-)