Being Good and Evil /Hermione and Umbridge v Snape and Peter actions

[dumbledore11214]

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> > >>Alla:
> > Eh, that is not my point. Wasn't your argument that no matter 
what
> > Marietta did Hermione was WRONG to "brand" her?
> > I responded that why Hermione did it matters very much to me.
> > The fact and the matter is that your argument tries to give the
> > reasons of WHY Peter and Snape betrayed their sides, isn't it?
> > <snip>
> 
> Betsy Hp:
> I do think purposefully and permanently disfiguring someone as a 
> form of punishment is wrong.  I also think wizards baiting muggles 
> is wrong.  However, I do not think spying is, in and of itself, 
> wrong.  Good guys and bad guys can both spy.  So for spying it 
*is* 
> important to look at the reasons and the methods, etc.

Alla:

Okay, I am snipping the rest of your post, because we just see it 
too differently , but I still want to return to Snape and Peter.

Um, BEFORE Snape started spying he had to BETRAY his boss and his 
friends, didn't he, so I am not sure how Snape's betrayal suddently 
become his spying.

Snape had to be a traitor before he became a spy, not vice versa, no?

Do you mind telling me what IS different in the action Snape and 
Peter committed? In the action itself, NOT in the reasons.

Peter betrayed his childhood friends, Snape betrayed his chidhood if 
not friends then classmates at least.

Peter betrayed the Leader of the Order to whom he belonged and 
supposedly promised loyalty, Snape betrayed the Leader of the DE to 
whom he pledged his loyalty.

Why do you think it matters for what reasons Snape betrayed 
Voldemort?

If you think that no matter what Hermione's action is just 
despicable as Umbridge, no matter what REASONS are behind it, 
protecting children who decided to fight against unjust regime of 
Umbridge or Umbridge not happy with Harry Potter, doesn't it mean 
that Snape and Peter actions are equally bad? If With Snape betrayal 
you are willing to look on the reasons behind 
the actions, then shouldn't you look at the reasons behind 
Hermione's actions too?

I mean I am not saying that you should, I just find your argument to 
be  highly inconsistent.

I mean if you would say that YES you think that Snape and Peter are 
both nasty traitors, Judas who betrayed the group of  their peers 
and their masters, then yes, I can see where you are coming from, 
but when you are condemning Hermione's actions without looking at 
her reasons and do look at the reasons behind Snape's actions, I do 
not understand it at all.

As Snape would say  if I look at Snape and Peter's actions, "I see 
no difference", NONE.

If I look further, then YES of course I see difference, but I ALSO 
see plenty of difference between what Hermione did and what Umrbidge 
did.

JMO,

Alla