Accidental Harrycrux with a Bloodsucking Snake (long)

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 155188

> > Pippin:
> > So you assume that Dumbledore's instruction to 'leave me and save
> > yourself'  if so ordered has no narrative purpose?
> 
> Neri:
> Of course it has. It's part of the whole "Harry you are more important
> than I am" narrative, like donating his blood to open the cave,
> drinking the potion himself, using his last spell to immobilize Harry,
> etc. But I don't see any indication that Dumbledore extended this
> approach to Snape.


Pippin:
As you say, there are all sorts of other things JKR uses to show
that Dumbledore considers Harry more important and don't set
up a Chekhov's gun. Mentioning the possibility of such an
order creates the expectation that it will be given. The order wasn't
given to Harry, and the only other person under his command that
Dumbledore spoke to before he died was Snape.

 > Pippin:
> > It is not an assumption that a blast of green light can be produced by
> > other spells than AK,
> 
> Neri:
> It is not? I can't recall any other spell in canon that comes with a
> green jet of light. For all we know AK could be the only curse of that
> color.
> 

Pippin:
Hagrid tells the kids  to send up green sparks if they find the unicorn. 


> 
> > Pippin:
> > or that uttering the words Avada Kedavra 
> > won't produce a killing curse without a great deal of magical power 
> > behind it. Nothing vague there.
> > 
> 
> Neri:
> We know that Crouch!Moody said that if all the students would say the
> words, he *doubts* that he'd get as much as a nosebleed. He didn't say
> if this would produce a green light or not. This is vague. Going from
> here to a jet of green light that blasts someone several meters in the
> air but doesn't kill him or even just knock him out, even though he's
> already dying, is quite a leap.

Pippin:
I've established there are other ways to produce green light.
As you said, there are all kinds of spells that will produce the
effect of blasting someone up into the air especially when cast by
a powerful wizard. However, AK isn't one of them.

Voldemort's AK has to be the most powerful one there is. However
when Fawkes swallows it in OOP, he bursts into flame and falls,
right in front of Dumbledore. If he'd been blasted backward,
he'd have set Dumbledore on fire. 

When AK hits an inanimate object it produces a blast, which is probably 
why the rebounding AK blew the Godric's Hollow house to pieces. 
But Dumbledore already dead when the AK hit him doesn't help your 
argument <g>.



> > Pippin:
> > Canon for Dumbledore's  being conscious: after the fall, the locket has 
> > apparently been dislodged from DD's pocket, yet DD's 
> > glasses are only askew. Weird, if both are the results of the fall.
> > 
> 
> Neri:
> I don't see why it's weird, and I don't see why it would be less weird
> if he landed conscious. Are you saying that he took the locket out of
> his pocket, opened it, didn't pull out the folded note inside, left it
> there lying on the ground for anybody to find, waited another 20 or 30
> minutes, and then died? Doesn't make much sense to me.

Pippin:
It's weird that Dumbledore would strike the ground with enough force
to knock a locket out of his pocket and open it, but not enough to
knock his glasses off or break them. In PoA, Harry's friends remark
on the fact that his fall didn't break his glasses. Of course we soon
find out it's because Dumbledore arranged a soft landing. 

I'd say DD knew the locket was phony as soon as he'd got it out of the
basin. Harry knew it was wrong as soon as he picked it up. Dumbledore
was certainly not less observant than Harry. I think DD opened the locket 
when he knew he was dying in order to make sure any curse that was on it 
struck him and not the next person to find it. I don't think he was expecting
the note. He probably thought Voldemort had left the false locket as a
trap.

 
> > Pippin:
> > She has to explain why Draco's failures with the necklace and the
> > mead didn't trigger the UV.
> 
> Neri:
> Strange, I have never had any problem with that. Draco hasn't failed
> his mission as long as he still has an ongoing plan and a chance to
> carry it out. I predict JKR won't bother to explain this part and I
> won't feel any letdown because of it. 

Pippin:
Other people do have a problem with it, though. I can remember it
being hashed out on the List. Your explanation is reasonable but it's
not the only possible one.  In any case, JKR does have to revisit
 the third part of the UV, because Harry doesn't know about it. It's
another shoe waiting to drop. 

Pippin