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>Eggplant
 >Your theory doesn't explain some things. If Snape is really a  good guy
how could he be so brain dead dumb as to make that unbreakable vow? 

>Eggplant
>I have heard hundreds of theories trying to explain why Snape  made
that vow but only one holds water: Snape was only vowing to do what  he
had every intention of doing anyway, and in fact may have only  been
repeating a vow he'd already made to Voldemort. 

Nikkalmati:
 
You're confusing whether it made sense at the time with whether it worked  
out well. <g> Certainly it turned out to be a mistake, but SS could  not have 
known that at the time. SS made three vital decisions that  night.   I think we 
agree that SS was taken by surprise when the  sisters turned up on his 
doorstep. Things would have turned out differently if  Bella wasn't there, because he 
had to worry she could have betrayed both of them  to LV as traitors.  His 
first reaction was to agree with Bella that  Narcissa should not say anything 
against the Dark Lord's  instructions.  He is protecting Narcissa here.  He 
doesn't know if  Bella will report her to LV, so he stops her.  He then gets up 
and looks  out the window into the empty street.  He is not checking to see if 
Peter  is out walking the dog.  He is giving himself time to think.  He  
decides he can risk it.    Then he turns around and says "I already  know"  
(decision 1) Of course he doesn't have a clue.    His  purpose is to pump the sisters 
for information.  He can't let the  opportunity go by to gain information that 
could be vital.  His next  choice  is to take the vow.  (decision 2). 
Narcissa puts on a full  court press to get him to agree to help Draco, but I don't 
think saving Draco  was more than a minor consideration.  What he needed was 
more information  about Draco's task.  In addition, he fully expected to use the 
 knowledge he would gain and his position with Narcissa and Draco to thwart 
the  task.  He not only would know exactly what Draco was doing, he would be in 
 a position to counter it.  The third decision was to agree to part three -  
to do Draco's task if necessary (decision 3?).  I put a question mark  because 
we know by the twitch of the hand (JKR giving us a hint) that he was not  
expecting part 3 and was unsure what to do.  We don't actually know if he  had a 
choice at this point.  We saw the red lines circle his and Narcissa's  wrists 
- what if he couldn't stop at this point?  What if by agreeing to  make the 
vow, he had agreed to swear to whatever Narcissa proposed?  In any  case, he 
either had to go on or he decided the information was worth swearing to  do 
whatever it was.  I don't think he would have sworn if he knew Draco was  to kill 
DD.  Either SS had no choice but to swear at that point or he  made a leap in 
the dark. Not stupid, a calculated risk.
 
As it turned out, Bella prevented SS from finding out what Draco was doing  
and prevented him from intervening to stop Draco from succeeding in  his task.
She talked against Snape to make Draco distrust him and probably helped him  
make and carry out his plans herself.  (I presume DD and SS eventually  
figured out what Draco was aiming to do and tried to come up with contingency  
plans.)
It makes zero sense for SS to take a potentially dangerous vow to do  
something he already planned to do.  ESESnape or LIDSnape doesn't need  Narcissa or 
Bella's good opinion and if he were prevented or even delayed in  carrying out 
the task he could be dead.  What's the gain for the  risk?
Nikkalmati   
 

>Eggplant
>In chapter 2 Snape said he helped provide information that caused  the
death of Sirius Black. If that wasn't true why did he say it? How  did
he expect to get away with a lie of that magnitude to the two  people
who know more about the incident than anyone else on planet  Earth?
Kreature went to Narcissa and told her secret stuff about Sirius,  and
Bellatrix was the one who actually killed him. Snape would be  a
absolute fool to say that if it wasn't true. Those two knew the  truth
and if they thought Snape's boast was full of hot air one or  both
would have said something, but they did not.
 
Nikkalmati:
Bella knew nothing about how Sirius got to the MOM, and that was all that  
Cissy knew about.  LV probably did not tell anyone exactly what he was  doing 
with Harry. Could he tell Bella or Narcissa he wanted to lure Harry out by  
using his mental connection with Harry?  Way too much information to be  giving 
out.  SS could easily imply he had given LV information that had led  to the 
development of the plan without either sister knowing anything  different.  Even 
DDMSnape could give LV some information about Sirius,  because Sirius was 
supposed to stay at Grimauld Place where he was  safe.


 
 

>Eggplant

>Snape never said he was  Voldemort's most trusted aid, Narcissa said
it, and Bellatrix who didn't like  Snape one bit would have certainly
challenged that remark if she thought it  untrue but she said nothing. 
Nikkalmati: 
Cissy was desperate for SS's help.  She was flattering him,  buttering him up 
(OOh Severas you are sooo great).  He could have claimed  to have hung the 
moon and she would have agreed. I thought Bella did  challenge it.

>Eggplant 
> And if Snape was a good guy why didn't he tell Dumbledore
about  that vow? He thought Snape was only pretending to have made the
vow but we  readers know better. 
Nikkalmati: 
I am confused here.  What makes you think DD didn't  know?






 



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