muggle baiting vs. muggle torture

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 155681


> festico:
> > Hm, I don't think it has anything to do with the level of harm. I
> > would expect Muggle-baiting is using magic maliciously on Muggles
> > because they are Muggles. From the examples we get from canon
> > (shrinking keys, Willy Widdershin's toilets) quote often not even
> > specific Muggles but any Muggle will do.
> 
> Magpie:
> But how can they legislate based on motivation?  Willy Widdershins 
could 
> have said he didn't prank the Muggle because he was a Muggle, but 
because he 
> was annoyed by him, or disliked his hair.  It seems like Muggle-
baiting must 
> be wrong by Wizard standards either because they actually think 
it's wrong 
> to Prank Muggles (like the way they presumably disagree with the 
Black who 
> likes to hunt Muggles) or because it causes danger to Wizards.

Alla:

I just think that Muggle baiting includes very specific act of 
causing harm to Muggles, not just any. I cannot support it with 
canon except the fact that **only** specific acts that Gerry 
mentioned are called muggle-baiting.

That **if** it is true, of course does not make Twins action less 
wrong, it would be just a technicality ( I have reasons mentioned 
several times that I don't consider to be a technicality to feel 
that Twins heart was in the right place), but  nevertheless it is 
the reason for me to not call it muggle -baiting.

As someone said, if one thinks that what Twins did was horrible, it 
can be something worse than Muggle baiting, sort of another crime, 
but not this one.

This is **not** my position, as I mentioned many times, but just 
saying that it seems to me that "definition", if you wish, legal 
definition ( which we don't really have, just the examples), seems 
to be quite narrow.

Does anybody call in canon what DE did during the Cup a "muggle-
baiting"?

I don't remember it, so if nobody does, this is a crime, certainly, 
very serious one ( what DE did, **not** what Twins did - just making 
sure that my position is clear, hehe), but does it fall under ** 
legal** definition of muggle-baiting?

I am not sure.

Alla