KarmaRe: muggle baiting vs. muggle torture

houyhnhnm102 celizwh at intergate.com
Thu Jul 20 16:21:12 UTC 2006


No: HPFGUIDX 155708

Gerry:

> ????? And I thought that DD's leaving the school had 
> everyhting to do with one little sneak who betrayed the 
> DA and with a Ministry going way out of its bounds and 
> purpuses. Great, Marietta is not responsible at all, 
> Umbridge is not responsible at all, the MoM is not 
> responsible at all, it is all Hermione's fault that 
> DD left the school.

houyhnhnm:

The DA was Hermione's plan therefore she is responsible 
for the success or failure of the plan.  To say that 
she isn't is like saying that a defeated general is 
not responsible for a badly thought out campaign.  
It's the enemy's fault.  

There are a lot of steps Hermione could have taken to 
forestall such a betrayal.  She could have recruited 
more carefully in the first place.  She could have 
anticipated the fact that her sneak hex would not 
give the DAs *advance* warning that one of their 
members was going to Umbridge and taken steps to 
correct that deficiency.  

Marietta's discomfort with what they were doing was 
evident at the first meeting in the RoR. That meeting 
took place before the first quidditch match of the year 
(so probably in October).  Marietta didn't betray the 
DAs to Umbridge until shortly before Easter break. So 
for five to six months, what is Hermione doing about it?  
Is she keeping an eye on disaffected members such as 
Marietta, talking to them, watching them, taking any 
kind of pro-active steps at all to prevent the DAs' 
being betrayed?  No.  She blithely assumes everything 
is going to go her way just because she wants it to.

Gerry:

> Sirius was not reckless [...] The person who was responsible 
> for his death was Bellatrix.

houyhnhnm:

****************
Harry saw Sirius duck Bellatrix's jet of red light:  he 
was laughing at her.  "Come on, you can do better than 
that!" he yelled, his voice echoing around the cavernous room.
****************

Swashbuckling, Gryffindorian derring-do.  It is Sirius' 
character in a nutshell.  It got him killed.

I know there is a deep divide among listees regarding 
philosophy of action.  It don't think it will ever be 
resolved.  There will always be those who say, "I didn't 
*want* it to turn out this way, therefore it's not my fault."    








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