Hate crimes /Re: muggle baiting vs. muggle torture

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> Tinktonks - 
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> The idea of being racist is not hating someone who is black, it is
> hating someone BECAUSE they are black. By the same definition the
> twins are not biggots, they play a trick on Dudley who happens to be
> a muggle, not BECAUSE he is a muggle.

Alla:

Well said. I mentioned several times in the past that I grew up 
experiencing what antisemitism is, just as vast majority of jewish 
kids and adults in former Soviet Union, so I have no tolerance for 
that whatsoever.

But does it mean that I would call two non jewish kids playing a 
prank on jewish kid who mercilessly bullied their younger brother an 
act of antisemitism? Of course not, ever. Unless of course I will 
have reasons to suspect that this was one of the reasons why prank 
was played, which in Twins' case I do not.

I guess it all comes down to us not knowing for sure whether intent 
is required for muggle-baiting or not. Honestly, I cannot imagine how 
it cannot be. IMO of course.

 Gerry:
> OK, a question to muddle the water even further : ), meant for
> everybody who thinks what the twins did was Muggle baiting or the 
same
> as what the DE's did at the campsite. How to call what Harry did to
> aunt Marge? aunt Marge is a Muggle. Harry used magic on her, and not
> to bait her. Surperior force, willfully. Is that Muggle torture? Is
> that the same or worse as the DE's did at the campsite? Why? or why 
not? 


Alla:

Heee, yes, poor Marge. Can we have some more baiting of her, 
please? :)

Yes, by this rationale which I don't share it would have been Muggle-
baiting IMO, except wasn't this not planned at all? Just burst of 
provoked anger?

I mean, I suppose we should consider it crime of passion, hehe.


JMO,

Alla