Hate crimes (was Re: muggle baiting vs. muggle torture)

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 155779

> Tinktonks:
> 
> > The idea of being racist is not hating someone who is black, it is
> > hating someone BECAUSE they are black. 
> 
> Magpie:
> Yes, this is the concept you keep trying to frame the question 
with, 
> and I keep refuses to agree to it.  I know that hating a racism 
> means hating a black person because they are black.  We're not 
> talking about what they think or what they feel, but what they do.
>

Alla:

Sorry, but I am **definitely** talking about what Twins think or 
feel. I take it that for you this action itself constitutes Muggle 
baiting and  Twins' intent does not matter. (I hope that after so 
many rounds I got the gist of your argument right, but please correct 
me if I did not).

Unless JKR clarifies it and states that **this** action, or I will 
even take a **similar** prank on Muggle constitutes muggle-baiting, I 
will continue to make my determination based on Twins' intent, which 
IMO is non-existent.

I mean, they sure intended to prank Dudley, they did not intended to 
prank Dudley because he is a Muggle. That is why  IMO Tinktonks' 
analogy is so spot on .

> Magpie:
> And I continue to disagree with you and do not see myself as being 
> unfair to Fred and George because of it.  Wizards have super powers 
> that Muggles do not have.  That is the *definition* of what they 
> are.  Taking advantage of those super powers is an abuse of power 
> against a Muggle in a way it is not against a Wizard.  The way I 
> would frame it using your analogy about racism would be to say that 
> okay, a white person does not hate all black people.  But he hates 
a 
> particular one because the guy is a bully.  Does that mean that if 
> he chooses to expess his hatred of that black person by using that 
> inequality against him, it's not racist? Because by using Magic 
they 
> are using the dividing line between Wizard and Muggle to their 
> advantage--in order to test their joke product for Wizards.

Alla:

I would say that it would totally depend how exactly white person 
would choose to express his hatred of the black person. If as I said 
that would be white boy playing prank on the black boy because the 
black boy is a bully and continuously tormented the white boy younger 
brother for years, then **No** it is not racism or antisemitism to me.

If the stakes are higher than that, I don't know, since I am not 
familiar enough with the hystoric realities to say for sure, but 
since I am on much firmer ground about antisemitism, then I would 
again say NO, it would not be. That is the way I see it anyways.

Should jewish bully be spared from a prank by non-jews, whose little 
brother he "hunted" for years just because he is a jew? Not in my 
book.

JMO,

Alla