Harry's fate - Best of Both-Details

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 156063

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, Kemper <iam.kemper at ...> wrote:
>
> > Kemper (earlier):
> > I don't mind the idea of using the Veil, but have a sense of
> > disappointment if it were used in the Final Battle sequense 
> > as we've already had a battle in the Dept of Mysteries.
> >
> > ... if The Veil was stolen ... and taken somewhere else 
> > would be ok,
> > too.
> >
> > But part of the excitement of most of the climatic battles
> > is the new scenery. ...edited...
> >
> > So what are your thoughts on the where and when?
> >
> >
> 
> Eddie responded:
> 
> Godrick's Hollow, where it all began.
> or
> The "Room of Love" in the Ministry of Magic.
> 
> 
> 
> Sandy responded similarly:
> 
> Since it is the ultimate climax of the series it will occur 
> towards the end of the book, .... As to where, I think it 
> will be either at Hogwarts or at Godric's Hollow. ...
> 
> 
> Kemper now:
> My question was unclear.
> I was responding to Steve's suggestion of using the Veil 
> ....  The question I asked of Steve ... was /where/ and
> /when/ use of the Veil would be used as I argued against
> seeing it in the Death Chamber ... as we've seen a climatic
> battle there.
> 
> Steve may be suggesting that the Veil be used earlier in  
> the story, that has nothing to do with the story climax; 
> I don't know.
> 
> Kemper, ...

bboyminn:

Just a couple of random comments.

First, while we did have a battle of sorts in the Death Chamber, the
'climatic' battle of that book occurred in the Atrium of the Ministry
of Magic. So, I contend that the Death Chamber and the Veil were the
set up for their re-appearance in a later book. Further, this was the
set up to get Sirius behind the Veil. 

I have this whole elaborate and very far-fetched theory that Sirius is
indeed trapped behind the Veil in the world of spirits, but he is not
necessarily dead back there. Most people who enter the Spirit World
are dead when they arrive. Sirius was still alive when he went though
to the other side. Also, most people who 'go beyond the Veil' do so
without their bodies; only the spirit goes to the realm of spirits. So
Sirus is trapped behind the Veil making him effectively dead, but not
truly dead. He went through the Veil under special circumstances. So
that is the whole set up.

Now, I add one more very unlikely but very necessary twist to make my
theory work. Harry has the ability to possess, he just doesn't know it
yet. Through a long drawn out set of circumstances Voldemort will
possess Harry again, but in the process of fighting the possession,
Harry will reverse it. Harry will now possess Voldemort. Seeing his
chance, Harry, in control, will drag Voldemort through the Veil. Thus
fullfilling the belief that for Voldemort to die, Harry must die.

Behind the Veil while still possessing Voldemort, Sirius will give
Harry a way to defeat Voldemort and get back. As long as two souls are
united neither can die, so Harry will transfer his Possession to
Sirius, and thereby leave Voldemort unpossessed, a single mutilated
soul in a single mutilated body, and therefore, unable to leave the
realm of the spirits; functionally dead. But since Harry is still in
possession of an alternate body, and since Sirius is not really dead,
both he and Harry can return. 

Also, while we have been TO the Veil in a previous book, we have NOT
been behind it. That is certainly new territory.


As long as that was, trust me, I left out a lot of details. Just one
problem, I can't for the life of me imagine how or why they would ever
go back to the Chamber of Death. I also don't believe that Voldemort
or anyone else will move the Veil to a new location. So, fun as my
theory might be, I can't imagine any circumstance under which it could
occur.

I do believe the trip to Godrics Hollow will be significant, but I
don't see any reason for the final battle to take place there. The
events at Godrics Hollow are going to appear early in the book, so I
really can't imagine any circumstances that would draw the various
characters to that location at that later time. 

I have a similar feeling about the 'Room of Love'. I can't see any
reason for Harry or anyone else to go to it, and I can't see anyway or
any reason why they would go inside it. Yes, it's there and it seem
significant, but I can't really see any likely way that it can be
applied. Perhaps after my wild and unlikely scenario plays out, and
after Sirius and Harry part bodies, they will both be weak, and will
have to be moved to the 'Room of Love' for an infusion of 'life force'. 

I do believe there will be some kind of battle, or at least an
altercation ,at the Dursleys. I also believe their will be further
trouble at Hogwarts. Now that Dumbledore is gone, Hogwarts is a prime
target. If you control the students (hostages), you control the
school, and if you contorl the school, you control the parents and by
extension the government. So, while the final battle could take place
at or near Hogwarts, my instinct is leaning away from that at the moment.

Perhaps Voldemort captures the school and holds the students hostage,
and the people surrender and give Voldemort control of the government
to protect their children. That could put everyone at the Ministry of
Magic where a battle could take place.

For the most part what I am saying is that there are alternative way
of interpreting what we know or suspect. Some speculate that for
Voldemort to die, Harry must die. I have given potential scenarios in
which Harry /sort of/ dies and that is enough to finsh Voldemort off,
but Harry being /sort of/ dead is not enough for Harry to be
absolutely dead. 

In a sense, I am looking for twisted plot lines rather than straight
forward interpretations. JKR is the master of the plot twist and is
not likely to follow any standard predictable patterns in the writing
of the final book.

Like I said, just a few thoughts.

Steve/bboyminn