[HPforGrownups] Re: Harry's fate - Best of Both-Details

[Kemper]

No: HPFGUIDX 156065

> > Kemper earlier:
> >
> > I was responding to Steve's suggestion of using the Veil
> > .... The question I asked of Steve ... was /where/ and
> > /when/ use of the Veil would be used as I argued against
> > seeing it in the Death Chamber ... as we've seen a climatic
> > battle there.
> >
> > Steve may be suggesting that the Veil be used earlier in
> > the story, that has nothing to do with the story climax;
> > I don't know.
> >
>
> bboyminn responded:
>
> Just a couple of random comments.
>
> First, while we did have a battle of sorts in the Death Chamber, the
> 'climatic' battle of that book occurred in the Atrium of the Ministry
> of Magic. So, I contend that the Death Chamber and the Veil were the
> set up for their re-appearance in a later book. Further, this was the
> set up to get Sirius behind the Veil.
>

Kemper now:
That's right.  As I said earlier that battle was between LV and DD.


> Steve cont.:  I have this whole elaborate and very far-fetched theory that Sirius is
> indeed trapped behind the Veil in the world of spirits, but he is not
> necessarily dead back there.  ... SNIP cool theory ...
>
> Also, while we have been TO the Veil in a previous book, we have NOT
> been behind it. That is certainly new territory.

Kemper now:
Yes, you're right.  Beyond the Veil would be new territory, and I
would enjoy seeing her interpretation of the other side.  I also think
your theory has potential as it includes prophecy lines.  Nice.


> Steve cont.:  As long as that was, trust me, I left out a lot of details. Just one
> problem, I can't for the life of me imagine how or why they would ever
> go back to the Chamber of Death. I also don't believe that Voldemort
> or anyone else will move the Veil to a new location. So, fun as my
> theory might be, I can't imagine any circumstance under which it could
> occur.

Kemper now:
I can see Voldemort wanting to steal such a powerful tool.  With as
much Death as he's witnessed (caused), I'm sure the murmuring beyond
the Veil must be thunderous.  Or it might be a cacophony of dead and
he would fear it.  I don't know.  The more I write about this
possibility the more I think Voldy would be scared of what he heard
and would avoid the veil as much as possible.  But what if Snape
persuaded him that it would be a great idea... ?  ... That Snape is a
tricky devil.


> Steve cont.:  I do believe the trip to Godrics Hollow will be significant, but I
> don't see any reason for the final battle to take place there. The
> events at Godrics Hollow are going to appear early in the book, so I
> really can't imagine any circumstances that would draw the various
> characters to that location at that later time.

Kemper now:
Steve, for someone who is looking for twisted plot lines, you sure
allow yourself to be set up on Godric's Hollow being early in the book
just because Harry says that's his intent.  JKR could be setting up
the reader to /expect/ GH early in the book 7, but when we start
reading something may happen that throws us in another direction.


> Steve cont.:  I have a similar feeling about the 'Room of Love'. I can't see any
> reason for Harry or anyone else to go to it, and I can't see anyway or
> any reason why they would go inside it. Yes, it's there and it seem
> significant, but I can't really see any likely way that it can be
> applied. Perhaps after my wild and unlikely scenario plays out, and
> after Sirius and Harry part bodies, they will both be weak, and will
> have to be moved to the 'Room of Love' for an infusion of 'life force'.


Kemper now:
I agree.  I rather the Room of Love remain an unknown; it's more
powerful shrouded in mystery than exposed for us to dissect.  But if
it is used as you reasonably suggest, I hope the reader is left in the
dark.


> Steve cont.:  I do believe there will be some kind of battle, or at least an
> altercation ,at the Dursleys. I also believe their will be further
> trouble at Hogwarts. Now that Dumbledore is gone, Hogwarts is a prime
> target. ... snip...
>
> Perhaps Voldemort captures the school and holds the students hostage,
> and the people surrender and give Voldemort control of the government
> to protect their children. That could put everyone at the Ministry of
> Magic where a battle could take place.

Kemper now:
I don't like this line of thought.  If Voldemort were interested in
controlling the MoM, he would have gotten a job with them earlier on.
Besides Harry's Death and his extended life, he seems more interested
in instilling terror in others.  If LV is truly evil and vile, than he
would take over Hogwarts to kill/torture the students so that he could
revel in the parents suffering and grief.  And not to change public
policy.

Kemper, interested in the more details... have you posted it?  If so
what's the subject line?  (It works better for me than post number
unless its before july 31, 05)