Eileen Pince

[wynnleaf]

No: HPFGUIDX 156261

Abergoat
> Dang, is anyone interested in Eileen? She's one of my favorite 
topics
> because JKR says she loved the title of HBP and that originally HBP
> was the working title for CoS. I do think this suggests that Eileen
> will tie into Hagrid's story. Book seven may mirror book 1 - with
> Hagrid returning as a central character.

wynnleaf
I'm a firm believer in "Eileen Prince is Irma Pince (I'm a Prince)" 
and that Eileen came to Hogwarts at the time Snape became disloyal 
to LV and started to spy for DD.  My theory is that Snape was 
definitely willing to spy for the Order, but wanted his mother in a 
safe place just in case he was discovered as a spy.  So DD put her 
into his "wizard protection program" (like his comments to Draco), 
and hid her as the librarian at Hogwarts.  There, she never sees any 
adults who would recognize her except for the older members of the 
Hogwarts staff, who are all sworn to secrecy.  The one time she goes 
out in public (DD's funeral), she's covered in a long heavy veil.  
She's described with similar physical features as Snape and she 
hates to see someone write in a book (ha, ha, and Snape wrote in her 
book, but she doesn't know that).  Spinners End practically has its 
own library, leather bound books no less.  But most professors I 
know (and I work at colleges), are really insistent on carrying all 
their books with them where ever they teach, so I'd think Snape 
would keep most of his at Hogwarts.  

Okay, enough of that.  I doubt if anyone agrees with me.  :)

Abergoat
> What about this: 
> In HBP, JKR told us Eileen was captain of a HOGWARTS team 
(delibrately
> avoiding her house) and this team was important enough to get in 
the
> Daily Prophet. 

wynnleaf
Maybe she's a Ravenclaw?

Abergoat
The presence of a picture implies they were
> participating in an international competition (the Daily Prophet
> doesn't seem to be interested in Harry's quidditch captaincy - only
> his tri-wizard champion post). Doesn't this sound like a clue that 
the
> woman cowering in Snape's OoP memory was not Eileen? Why would a
> magical Eileen with the leadership skills to captain an 
international
> team cower in front of a MUGGLE husband? Seems unlikely. I bet JKR
> wanted us to question Harry's assumption that those people were
> Snape's parents rather than some other relatives. 

wynnleaf
Hm.  I think *perhaps* you're assuming that a person who'd be abused 
by her husband would be an otherwise weak person.  But that's not 
necessarily so.  While I don't personally know such situations, I 
have read a lot about it.  From what I understand, the psychological 
reasons behind why people allow others to abuse them don't 
necessarily mean that the person is otherwise weak.  

Harry, for instance, is a pretty strong kid.  But he allows several 
adults to abuse him and doesn't even attempt to stop it.  It's 
probably because of his own homelife, where adults were not people 
he could trust and he wasn't taught that you could stop adults from 
abusing you.  But my point is that while he is a strong person, he 
is still abused.

wynnleaf