Transferable Human Horcruxes was: SSlyth via DWG to DM

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No: HPFGUIDX 153667

  The Greater Evil - transferable human Horcruxes
  aussie: 
  For this theory to work, it has to be possible for:-
  A)    a Human to be used as a Horcrux. 
  B)     That a Horcrux can be transferred to another person after a generation to keep the original Horcrux maker “alive”
   
  Canon support:-
  DD thought Nagini (snake) could be a Horcrux so living things could hold pieces of someone else's soul.
   
  So can humans be a Horcrux? Quirrell is a human example (PS/SS), as is Ginny (COS) in a way. Their experience was possessive and dominating too. However, they were UNWILLING to become the Horcrux. How different if a Dark Wizard was willing to be the host to a famous Dark Wizard that person respected.
   
  With humans as a Horcrux, there needs to be a way to transfer the soul out of them and on to another to keep the original Horcrux maker live on.
   
  Flamel lived over 600 years using the P/S Stone So a very Dark Wizard from even before then may still have part of his soul safeguarded somewhere.
   
  MAIN THEORY:
  The Darkest Wizard who disappeared (COS chap 9) may have created a Horcrux that infected or possessed Dark Wizards and be passed on from generation to generation. The one that would awaken JKR's readers' imagination is:
   
  SALAZAR SLYTHERIN   
  Known Dark Wizards for Slytherin's Horcrux
   
  A)     Past - Dark Wizard Grindelwald (defeated, but not destroyed) 
  B)      Present - Lord Voldemort (who changed from Tom Riddle about the time Grindelwald disappeared) 
  C)      Future - Draco Malfoy (or would have been if he tore his soul while AK-ing DD)
   
   
  THREAD OF CLUES:
  PS/SS: I thought Grindelwald being “Defeated” around the time Tom Riddle changed to Lord Voldemort was a clue. Also Flamel was an example of someone living over 600 years. The mind doesn’t have to stretch too much more to accept 1000 years for the Darkest Wizard.
   
  In the 2nd book (COS), Prof Binns said Salazar Slytherin left Hogwarts, and was resentful enough to keep a Basalisk under the school. Slytherin didn’t doubt someone would come in the future that could release the terror on the school. An “heir” doesn’t need to be family, just someone that inherited something from him. 
  Ginny’s soul was almost drained by the Diary Horcrux (Riddle: “I've always been able to charm the people I needed. So Ginny poured out her soul to me, and her soul happened to be exactly what I wanted .... I grew stronger and stronger 
. Powerful enough to start feeding Miss Weasley a few of my secrets, to start pouring a little of my soul back into her.”)
  Inside the chamber, Tom Riddle called “Speak to me, Slytherin, greatest of the Hogwarts Four.” for the statue to open to release the Basalisk. 
   
  POA gave DD got clues that Horcuxes were involved after understanding Harry’s dreams and the control LV had over Nagini. That set DD on the quest for memories from those that knew the pre-LV Tom Riddle and the destruction of the ring Horcrux by the time HBP came on.
   
  The basalisk was controlled similar to Nagini making me think it was a Horcrux too. However, it was not sitting there to become Tom’s Horcrux for about 1000 years. I think one of Salazar’s Horcuxes was in the basalisk. Another Horcrux was transferred into Tom Riddle in his transformation to Voldemort, passed onto him from Gridelwald. That would help him control the Basalisk holding Slytherin’s Horcrux
   
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  I discussed this with another HPforGP member to bounce some ideas back and forth. this is an excert of that chat used with permission. Delete it for brevity when replying. 
   
  aussie_lol: in War situation, hard to get a person in the right spot .... Draco was picked by LV ... but WHY? (snip)
  horridporrid03: Yeah, so Voldemort has a reason to say Draco had to die
  aussie_lol: when someone AKs another, it tears their soul ...
  horridporrid03: I'm guessing Lucius is important to Voldemort
  aussie_lol: ... so why did LV want Draco's soul torn?
  aussie_lol: i think there may be a specific purpose for a fresh blooded DE
  horridporrid03: Hmm
  aussie_lol: ... did LV need Draco's soul to be torn ...
  aussie_lol: .... if anything like that, then that's why DEs would stand back and let Draco AK, not them
  horridporrid03: I think it depends on how "dark" JKR wants them to be.
  aussie_lol: but Snape stepping in would stop Voldy's plan for a torn souled Draco
  horridporrid03: Exactly. Snape saved both Draco's life and his soul or innocence
  aussie_lol: too true
  horridporrid03: I think Dumbledore would see that something worth dying for
  aussie_lol: not that I like the greesy haired git
  horridporrid03: Hee! And I, of course, love him. 
  aussie_lol: lol
  horridporrid03: Major Snape fan, me
  aussie_lol: I know this thought would be embraced by Snape fans to show DD wanted Snape to prevent Draco doing the AK-ing
  horridporrid03: Snape was very protective of Draco all year, it seemed.
  aussie_lol: ok ... I am wondering if the Greater Evil is bigger than Voldermolt ...
  horridporrid03: I think so, yes. Doesn't Dumbledore say something about how destroying Voldemort won't destroy "Evil"?
  aussie_lol: Grindelwald was about the time that Tom changed to LV ... 
  horridporrid03: Yes, exactly. I think it's a sort of eternal battle
  aussie_lol: .... and the choc card said DD DEFEATED Grindy .... not KILLED him
  horridporrid03: Harry's got this one, but after this, there's be another villain and another hero
  horridporrid03: Ooh, yes that "defeated" is very interesting
  aussie_lol: hmmm ... but I wonder if it comes back to can a Horcrux be in a person ....
  horridporrid03: It sounds like a clue... but what does it mean? lol
  aussie_lol: ... and since that person is not eternal, the Horcrux should be transferable to maintain it
  aussie_lol: ... what if LV is a Horcrux for Grindelwald ...
  horridporrid03: Huh... Never thought of that...
  aussie_lol: .... and now he wants a torn soul to passs that Horcrox onto
  horridporrid03: I think there were theories of Grindy tutoring Voldy...
  aussie_lol: .... enter Draco
  horridporrid03: Nooo! Not Draco!!
  aussie_lol: ... new Grindy Horcrux vessel
  horridporrid03: You know, that's not a bad theory. You should post it to the list. I think folks would be interested in tossing that idea around
  aussie_lol: DD at the end of PS/SS said there were other ways to live longer ....i am wondering how far that human Horcrux transferring goes back ... could it go back to Slytherin who disappeared from Hogwarts ?
  horridporrid03: Very interesting...
  aussie_lol: Flamel lasted 600 years +
  horridporrid03: Of course, Flamel had the Stone
  horridporrid03: And I think you have to be rather pure to create a Stone - Which could be the "good" side to the "evil" horcrux, maybe?
  aussie_lol: why not Slytherin still infect Dark Wizards with his Transferable Horcrux
  horridporrid03: Seriously, you should put this on the list. I'm not that good at the horcrux stuff, but there are people on the list who eat this sort of stuff up with a spoon.
  aussie_lol: ok ... mind if i cut and paste some things from this talk?
  horridporrid03: I think they'd be interested in this idea of, I guess, evil wizards passing on their life via the horcux for centuries.
  horridporrid03: Yeah, that'll be fine. 
  aussie_lol: ty. good to bounce some ideas around. take care Betsy
  horridporrid03: You too, thanks for the chat


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