[HPforGrownups] Transferable Human Horcruxes was: SSlyth via DWG to DM

[Peggy Wilkins]

No: HPFGUIDX 153679

On 6/11/06, R A <aussie_lol at yahoo.com.au> wrote:

aussie:
>   The basalisk was controlled similar to Nagini making me think it was
> a Horcrux too. However, it was not sitting there to become Tom's
> Horcrux for about 1000 years. I think one of Salazar's Horcuxes was
> in the basalisk. Another Horcrux was transferred into Tom Riddle in
> his transformation to Voldemort, passed onto him from Gridelwald.
> That would help him control the Basalisk holding Slytherin's Horcrux

Peggy W:
So you are positing that Slytherin could have more than one Horcrux?
This is contradicted, though, by Dumbledore's statement in HBP:

HBP p. 500:
"...As far as I know -- as far, I am sure, as Voldemort knew -- no
wizard had ever done more than tear his soul in two."

One of the points about Voldemort, I think, is that he is the first
one to ever attempt making more than one Horcrux.  For this reason, I
wouldn't be inclined to think Slytherin might have done it before.

Also don't forget that when we see Diary Tom controlling the Basilisk
in COS, that was a regeneration of Tom from his Horcrux; if Tom were a
Horcrux for Slytherin, for your proposal to be true he would have also
had to transfer a bit of Slytherin into his own Diary Horcrux.  Isn't
that stretching things a bit too thin?  That also raises the level of
improbability, in my eyes (though Dumbledore's statement I quoted
above was sufficient in my judgment).

aussie's excerpted chat:
[snip]
>   aussie_lol: Grindelwald was about the time that Tom changed to LV ...
>   horridporrid03: Yes, exactly. I think it's a sort of eternal battle
>   aussie_lol: .... and the choc card said DD DEFEATED Grindy .... not KILLED him
>   horridporrid03: Harry's got this one, but after this, there's be another villain and another hero
>   horridporrid03: Ooh, yes that "defeated" is very interesting
>   aussie_lol: hmmm ... but I wonder if it comes back to can a Horcrux be in a person ....
>   horridporrid03: It sounds like a clue... but what does it mean? lol
>   aussie_lol: ... and since that person is not eternal, the Horcrux should be transferable to maintain it
>   aussie_lol: ... what if LV is a Horcrux for Grindelwald ...

Peggy W:
Then Grindelwald wouldn't be dead, but JKR has said that he is indeed dead:

>>>http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/articles/2005/0705-tlc_mugglenet-anelli-3.htm
[Begin quote]

ES: Our other "Ask Jo" question (the one about James and Lily's
sacrifices), was from Maria Vlasiou, who is 25, of the Netherlands.
And then the third is from Helen Poole, 18, from Thirsk, Yorkshire –
also one of the "Plot Thickens" fan book authors. It's the one about
Grindelwald, which I'm sure you've been gearing up for us to ask.

JKR: Uh huh.

ES: Clearly -

JKR: Come on then, remind me. Is he dead?

ES: Yeah, is he dead?

JKR: Yeah, he is.

[End quote]

It is clear that Grindelwald can't have a Horcrux if he is dead.

I'm actually a little unclear on what you're proposing, though; isn't
your propsal that it is Slytherin's soul that is being passed through
Grindelwald to Voldemort, and will be passed on to someone else from
Voldemort?  If that's the proposal then it doesn't make sense to posit
that Grindelwald had a Horcrux that is being passed on... but maybe I
am misunderstanding what you were trying to say.

In any case, interesting theory about Slytherin, but not one I'm
inclined to believe (sorry).

-- 
Peggy Wilkins
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