[HPforGrownups] Re: Phoenix fire?

[Tim]

No: HPFGUIDX 154143

houyhnhnm:

I don't know. I can't quite put my finger on it either. Except that
we aready have the suggestion (from the Sorting Hat) that the healing
of the Wizarding World must come from unification of the qualities of
*all* the houses, not the triumph of the "good" house over the "bad"
house...

The fact that Rowling chose to emphasize the healing powers of Fawkes,
and that he
sounds so much much like the Scorpio-Phoenix, makes me think that we
are supposed to see Slytherin qualities in Fawkes as well as
Gryffindorish ones.

Tonks:

> And in your Slytherin idea associated with Fawkes you
> mention the Eagle. This is associated with Ravenclaw.
> What does this me ?? How does the Ravenclaw Eagle and the
> Phoenix combine? What abou the Lion of Gryffindor. And
> the Badger. Are they represented in astrology any where?


I tried writing a reply to this yesterday when the Scorpio-phoenix
suggestion was first raised but you've beaten me to it 'cause mozzila
was doing funny things. Anyway.. I have a feeling that all the major
characters have elements of all the houses in them but are applied in
different ways. Fawkes as a phoenix is portrayed as the epitome of
goodness (just as Gryffindor  and as such has the major characteristics
of the houses in a balanced way (Cleverness, bravery, loyalty, and the
self-interested one that i can't remember the actual word). And DD as
the wizard Fawkes is loyal to has the very same.

I am however not entirely convinced that selfishness is any worse or
better, as it acts as a driver in most situations - yet is when not
countered by the balancing of the care for the other. I have absolutely
no idea about the actual symbolizing in this except drawing on kinda
arbitrary feelings and senses from the scenes that you're talking about.

oh, And tonks I think it is likely that DDs wand is a phoenix, yet not
Fawkes's as we have seen DD battle with Voldemort and there was no
reverse spell effect. However it seems to point to the message that
"brothers" shouldn't fight - possibly preventing the destruction of the
brother, or/& that when it does happen other tactics are required.

I have nothing tangible to offer just impressions at the moment.

Tim