Harry's arrogance (was Evil Snape)

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No: HPFGUIDX 154276

>Sherry now:

>Is that actually deliberate misleading, or is it  just the anguish of just
>having seen Dumbledore die and not seeing or  saying things clearly
 
Nikkalmati:
Yes, I agree, that is why is said "so that is a distortion in Harry's  
thinking."
 
>Alla:

>He honors the wishes of his dead mentor, which was  just now 
>viciously murdered ( that is not a fact of course, only my  opinion, 
>but that is how I see it till JKR calls it otherwise  :))
>Where is the arrogance here? <snip> 
>BUT now Harry  listens to Dumbledore wishes and does NOT tell anybody 
>but Ron and  Hermione about Prophecy and he is arrogant again?

Nikkalmati:
Yes, because again he is making his own decision without consulting anyone  
else.  Arguably, the situation has changed, since he last spoke with  DD!
I would also cite another instance of so-called" arrogance" from HBP.   It 
was foolish for Harry to rush out of the castle after Draco and Snape  followed 
by three DEs.  What was he thinking?  Did he believe he could  fight them all? 
Apparently, he did.  I would call that arrogant.
 
>Alla.  
>Frankly, I think this is "don't tell anyone but Ron  and Hermione" 
>about Horcruxes is simply a plot device to put adults even  more in a 
>back seat than they are now and put Trio even more center  stage.
 
Nikkalmati:
Indeed, I think you are correct from a plot development point of  view.  But 
I think some of the adults must play at least a supportive role  in Book 7. 
 
>  Renee:
>You're right, Harry's wrong to misrepresent  Dumbledore's words, but I
>still fail to see why this is arrogant. Harry  ignores the possibility
>that he's missed something, that Dumbledore's  assessment of Snape was
>correct, not because he's an arrogant prick who  thinks he's always,
>right, but because he insists on believing the worst  of Snape. I'd
>rather call this bias or prejudice.
 
Nikkalmati:
Perhaps in this one instance it is a better example of bias; I don't want  to 
quibble over words; however, his bias causes him to misremember what he has  
been told.  I do think that it is another example of how Harry thinks he is  
right and distorts the facts to fit what he believes.
 
 
 
 

>Sherry now:

><snip> But in the case of the fake  vision about Sirius, he has
absolutely no blame. It is not arrogance for him  to believe his vision,
when he has evidence that his visions are true. He did  save Arthur's life
after all. I would call his thoughts and actions desperate  not arrogant.
How could he risk it being false? His guilt is completely  misplaced in my
opinion. He has absolutely nothing to blame himself for in  the death of
Sirius, not even indirectly. Who would not have done the same?  He did try
to contact Sirius, and he did try to tell Snape. He tried to do  the
responsible things. When nothing seemed to work, and Kreacher told  him
Sirius was not there, what on earth could he have done? It  wasn't
arrogance. 
Nikkalmati: 
Harry skipped two important steps he should have taken.  He should have  
remembered to use the mirror to contact Sirius directly.  If that didn't  work, he 
then should have gone in person to Snape to ask for  help.  Even Harry 
realized in Umbridge's office that there was a  member of the Order he should have 
gone to, Snape. OTP U.S.ed. 743.   Instead, he took action immediately by going 
to Umbridge's office to use  the floo.  Again, he did not think of the mirror 
or of Snape, because he  believes that everything depends on himself.  



>fairwynn said <snip>
>After disposing of Umbridge, Harry and friends could 
have returned  to Hogwarts and attempted to contact Grimmauld Place using the 
floo, or gone  back to Snape and told him directly what was going on. But 
Harry assumed  that he was the only one who could help.<snip>

Nikkalmati:
Certainly, these are also possibilities <g>
 


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