Harry's arrogance /Evil Snape

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No: HPFGUIDX 154349

> > Pippin:
> > My theory is that Snape did not take Dumbledore's life, he 
> > didn't try to defend it, and used a ruse to make it seem that he
> > had taken it. Are you saying that's far-fetched when we know
> > that there have been fake deaths in canon? 

Alla:

Yes, Pippin that is exactly what I am saying. Under circumstances 
described I think that this is very far fetched to expect fake death 
on the Tower. I consider it especially far fetched since JKR was IMo 
rather clear in the interviews about Dumbledore's death.

It is your right of course to disbelieve her interviews, I do believe 
them.
 
> > Or are you saying that it  would be wrong? If so,  was it wrong 
for 
> > Lily to leave James  to his fate and try to flee with Harry? I 
don't
> think  JKR is going there.

Alla:

Wrong to try and save Dumbledore? Of course not - the Snape who would 
do that is a noble hero, it is just I am not buying that this is what 
happened. Sorry!

But hey, if this is what happened, you will tell me "told you so" 
after book 7 :)

I am curious though where you found  analogy with Lily and James on 
the Tower.



> Carol notes:
> Or, assuming that DD really is dead, was it wrong to kill dumbledore
> if that was the only way to get Harry off the tower? (Snape would 
have
> seen the second broom and deduced that Harry was there in his
> Invisibility Cloak.) If the choice was not between Snape's own life
> and Dumbledore's but between Harry's life and Dumbledore's, was it
> wrong to choose Harry? (DD would have been killed by the DEs in any
> case, but Harry would only have died if he had rushed out to fight
> them four on one, or five if Draco joined in on their side.)
> 
> To repeat, *if* Snape's choice was between killing Dumbledore and
> Harry's almost certain death fighting four DEs (and Draco, if he
> joined in), surely the correct choice was to save Harry?


Alla:

The problem with this question as I see it is that this choice would 
NEVER occur exactly as you describe IMO.

Even if Snape keeps telling himself ( and I am describing Snape which 
I am not buying, just for the sake of the argument) that he is 
killing DD for the sake of saving Harry only, we KNOW that it is not 
true, unless Snape is Saint. IMO of course.

Snape's life is ALWAYS in the equasion, because if he does not kill 
DD, he is well... dead, no?

So, if this Snape keeps telling himself that the only reason he kills 
DD is to save Harry, well, sure , yes, I will cut him some slack.

But the thing is he STILL has to to take responsibility for taking 
the UV, for the fact that HIS foolish choices brought the doom upon 
DD and Harry and for that I want him to take responsbility and to 
feel remorse and suffer A LOT.

Of course if one buys Snape taking UV on DD orders or any 
other "good, noble" reasons, then this does not need apply. I am not.

As I said, I want Snape to take responsibility and suffer, then maybe 
in my book he earns redemption. But that is a VERY big maybe in my 
book.


> Carol, pretty sure that Harry would not have survived Book 6 if 
Snape
> had not showed up
>

Alla, who thinks that Harry did pretty good on the Tower, Snape or no 
Snape and who cannot wait for confrontation between them in book 7.