Evil Snape

pippin_999 foxmoth at qnet.com
Mon Jun 26 15:19:40 UTC 2006


No: HPFGUIDX 154357

 
> Alla:
> 
> Um, I am sure there can be found some incidents in canon where Ron 
> and Hermione let Harry down, but I would argue that yes, on the big 
> scale they never did.

Pippin:
Ron's jealousy in GoF was a big deal, in fact prior to OOP lots of
people were saying it proved Ron could not be trusted and he 
would betray Harry to LV. Hermione let Harry down when she ratted
him out about the Firebolt (the least she could have done was
let him know what she was going to do) and he was upset enough
about that to drop her. It may not seem like a grand scale thing
to us, but Harry certainly thought so. 

Alla:
> Ron did not treat Harry like garbage from the first time they met, 
> quite the contrary.

Pippin:
Um, I seem to remember Hermione telling Ron he had dirt on his
nose and Harry that he should open a book or two, as in "I'd have
found out everything I could it if was me." Ron called her a 
nightmare, IIRC. Harry thought he'd never met anyone so interfering.


Pippin:
> > Purely and simply, Harry trusts them because he values their 
> > friendship. In the end that is the only reason to trust anybody.
> 
> Alla:
> 
> It IS, if those people did not do really bad things towards someone 
> who supposed to trust them and Snape did IMO.

Pippin:
We can debate the wisdom of giving second chances at all. But
If you trusted someone before you gave them a second chance, I
should think you'd have to trust them afterward. Otherwise it wouldn't
be a second chance at all.  And Dumbledore simply doesn't regard
Snape's barking at Harry as a reason not to trust him. You can 
argue the wisdom of that too, but it seems Dumbledore doesn't have
a problem with hostile teachers, as long as they aren't physically
abusive. It seems he feels there are lots of hostile people in life,
and you can't always run away from them, or hope some voice
from on high will deal with them for you. Sometimes you just have to
cope.

Alla: 
> As to what difference it would make? It would have shown Harry that 
> Snape maybe a bastard, but a bastard who is on our side.

Pippin:
If saving Harry's life and Dumbledore's life isn't enough, then it seems
to me Harry doesn't want a 'real' reason. He wants a magical shortcut.
I don't think Rowling is going to give him one. As in, by the time
Harry finds out the 'real' reason, it won't matter.

Pippin








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