Hermione must be stopped, ...-Hermione's Crimes

[nrenka]

No: HPFGUIDX 149411

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Magpie" <belviso at ...> wrote:

> Magpie:
>
> ::sigh:: I can't say I'm surprised at this response.  You asked me 
> for examples of Hermione being manipulative.  Manipulative means to 
> influence or manage shrewdly or deviously.  These are examples of 
> Hermione fitting that definition. 

<snip>

> It's a neutral, accurate (imo) description of her actions, not an 
> insult to a friend in need of appeals for sympathy, justifications 
> and more flattering language.

YMMV, but I don't perceive 'manipulative' as a neutral word at all.  
It's generally used to imply that one is doing something specifically 
for one's own personal gain above anything else, and that one is 
doing something with shady intent that you hope the objects of your 
manipulation won't pick up on.  If one states that parents are 
manipulating their children, for instance, it's almost always a 
statement of disapproval.

I suspect that's some of what dissenting listies are objecting to, 
the connotations of the word.

-Nora misses her OED access at the moment...