LID!Snape rides again (was: High Noon for OFH!Snape)

[horridporrid03]

No: HPFGUIDX 149682

> >>Neri:
> There is in fact a very simple reason why Dumbledore would regard 
> the Life Debt as placing Snape's in "our side". I discussed it in 
> detail in two of my recent posts, regarding the LID explanation of 
> the Occlumency lessons and the MoM battle. The short story is:    
> Snape had to save Harry's life and repay the Debt before he could 
> go back to Voldemort's side, but he somehow had to do it without   
> Voldemort realizing that he did. Until he could do that the Life  
> Debt was very effectively trapping Snape in "our side".
> <snip>

Betsy Hp:
I pretty much agree with everything Syndey said in her reply, but I 
wanted to point out a logistical problem I see here.  Snape joined 
the Order, joined Dumbledore's side *before* James was killed by 
Voldemort.  And Dumbledore says he trusted Snape before the Potters 
were killed.  So how does LID, which wouldn't have come into play 
yet, explain this?

Remember, by reporting the Prophecy Snape put *Harry* in mortal 
danger, not James and Lily.  So, especially if you're looking at LID 
as a magical power that forces its victims into behaviors unnatural 
to them, isn't this a hole in the theory?

> >>Neri:
> <snip>
> Why then should we think that, when another minute later he       
> screams in pain with his face suddenly "demented, inhuman", it's  
> because he's remorseful? What happened during the moment in       
> between that brought such a dramatic change? 
> But it's written right there, what brought the dramatic change.   
> Harry said to him "kill me like you killed him". A pretty         
> impressive effect for such simple words, don't you think? Or      
> should I say, a magical effect?

Betsy Hp:
Okay, this is another hole, I think.  So the mere reminder of an 
unfilled life debt is enough to trigger magical pain, if I'm 
following you correctly.  Then how was it that Peter was able to 
stoically take allowing Harry, to whom he owes a direct life debt, 
to get into such mortal danger in GoF?  Shouldn't he have been given 
a massive magical shock?  What about when he deliberatly caused 
Harry pain?

For that matter, why is Peter able to work with Voldemort, who is 
actively seeking Harry's death, while Snape is somehow "trapped" to 
Dumbledore's side? 

> >>Neri:
> <snip>
> Pettigrew doesn't even pretend to be on Dumbledore's side. The     
> question of trusting him had never come up.  Dumbledore wasn't     
> fighting to save Pettigrew's soul, he was fighting to save Snape's 
> soul.

Betsy Hp:
Why?  I don't understand why you think Dumbledore would waste so 
much time and effort on a man who for almost two decades is only 
serving Dumbledore's interests because he's been magically trapped 
into doing so.  Why does Snape's soul rate more than Peter's?

Betsy Hp