Raging Snape / Draco's Redemption / JKR's Plots (was:Re: seeds of betrayal)

[sistermagpie]

No: HPFGUIDX 149722

> a_svirn:
> No, he's not denying it. He's boasting about it. When Voldemort is
> boasting about his heroic deeds is it also a good sign?

Magpie:
No, I don't think boasting is an accurate description at all.  If
Draco was able to boast in this scene he'd be in a very different
place.  He's trying to sound like a killer, but it's falling flat--
he's described as seeming compelled to keep talking (confessing), 
but we've seen boasting in the series and this isn't it.  I don't 
even recall Draco being the one to describe these things in detail. 
Not even any nasty remarks about how great it would have been had 
Ron Weasley died.  Dumbledore describes these plots as feeble 
attempts his heart isn't in and Draco "vehemently" insists that it 
was, but Dumbledore really seems to be right throughout.  Draco's on 
the defensive.  The best he can come up with is, "Yeah, well, you 
didn't figure out it was me, did you?"  (Which, of course, DD did.)  
Draco's in no shape to boast in this scene.  He's not asking 
forgiveness or expressing remorse either, of course.  But saying 
this scene is about boasting, imo, is like saying Peter Pettigrew's 
scene in the Shrieking Shack is about making amends to his friends.

> a_svirn:
> What does it mean "subconsciously meant"? Either it is meant or it
> is not. If you aiming your gun badly because you are a bad shot or
> so sick with fear, that you your aim is unsteady, then it is
nothing
> to you credit. If, on the contrary, you are deliberately aiming
your
> gun off the mark, then you are damn well *consciously* deloping.

Magpie:
He is deliberately aiming his gun off the mark, but he is certainly
not dwelling on that fact.  That's what Dumbledore is describing.

> a_svirn:
> So what if he did feel remorse? Would it make him any less of a
> murderer? I am sure Pettigrew feels remorse. Maybe even Lucius now
> and then who's to say?

Magpie:
Of course it wouldn't make him any less a murderer.  That's the
whole point of my post, that he is responsible for what happens to
Katie and Ron.  I just also happen to disagree with the idea that if
Ron and Katie had died he wouldn't have felt remorse at becoming a
murderer.

> > Magpie:
> >His physical disintegration is no,
> > imo, due to just frustration at things going awry.  Iow, I agree
> > with Dumbledore that these attempts are signs that he's not a
> > killer, not that he's just a bad planner.
>
> a_svirn:
> He's not such a bad planner after all. Dumbledore is dead, isn't
he?

Magpie:
Narcissa is, anyway. Draco didn't plan on Snape killing Dumbledore.:)

-m