Portkey in GOF - Logistics - Perspective

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 149729

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, Kemper <iam.kemper at ...> wrote:
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> > >
> >
> > bboyminn:
> >
> > ... Considering that Voldemort's objective is to /take over the
> > world/; that's hardly an occupation for a quiet reluctant recluse.
> >
> 
> Kemper now:
> He doesn't even want to take over the British WW, what makes you
> think he wants to take over the world?!  He had opportunity as a 
> young man to go into politics but didn't take it.  He could've 
> changed things from the inside to become Emperor someday ... but
> he chose differently.  Your despots went this route, but the 
> Voldemort you see hasn't.
> 

bboyminn:

He doesn't want to take over the British WW? Really? Then what is this
all about? Why is he doing the things he's doing? Just a rabble-rouser
or malcontent? 

Clearly, Voldemort wants to take over. Characters in the book have
impied as much several times. JKR has said it herself. While his short
term goal is to take over the British wizard world, power hungry
deranged men like this are seldom satisfied, so I don't think it is
such a great leap to think that his long range goal is world
domination (ala-Pinky and the Brain). He may not achieve it, but I
have no doubt that he intends to extend his influence as far and wide
as he possibly can.

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> 
> > Steve continues:
> >
> >
> > Yes, Voldemort is secretive, but that doesn't eliminate the 
> > fact that he is an egomaniacal megalomaniac. ...
> >
> > If that isn't pure theater on the world stage, then I don't 
> >know what is.
> >
...

> > ...One quick look at the 'Evil Overlords Handbook' would show
> > them the folly of their ways, but it would make for very dull 
> > stories.
> >
> 
> Kemper now:
> I'm saying that Voldemort, though narcisistic, isn't an attention
> whore.  You're saying he is.
> ...
> ...  I'm argueing your belief that it is Voldemort a drama queen 
> more than an Evil Overlord.  

bboyminn:

Ahhh... now we are at the heart of it. I'm not saying Voldemort is an
'attention whore' or 'drama queen', but what I am saying is defined in
a narrow and specific context. I'm trying not trying to deny or claim
anything, I am attempting to find a balanced view of the nature of
Voldemort's attention seeking.

Yes, both Voldemort and Osama are somewhat recluses. We are not likely
to see either of them strutting down High Street in a clown costume
shouting at the top of their lungs 'Look at me! Look at me!'. But
great and terrible deeds are done in their name and at their bidding,
and Voldemort has created a name that is so feared it is never or
rarely spoken. It's hard to accept that that level of self-inflicted
notoriety is not 'attention seeking'. 

One does not actively and aggressively work to make one's name known
and fear as the most great, powerful, and terrible wizard in the
world, if one is a true recluse.

So, I am not saying - Attention Seeking - Yes or No. What I am doing
is trying to put Voldemort's attention seeking into perspective
because it is clearly there. But at the same time, you are right, he
is not an overt active High Street strutting attentions seeking whore. 
I guess one could say he is more of a passive-aggressive attention
seeking whore.

When I speak of the 'world stage' what I am saying is that you are not
likely to see Voldemort sitting in a cafe engaged in rousing political
discussion. If fact you are not likely to see him anywhere at anytime,
until he makes his presents known on the world stage. Whether that
'world stage' is the media given attention to Osama's latest video
proclamation, or given attention to the results of action instigated
by him. You never see the man on the local stage, but his actions are
alway present on the 'world stage' because that is how terroism
produces it's greatest effects.

> Kemper concludes:
>
> I worked out Voldemort's reason to wait til the third task 
> instead of  earlier as follows:
> he wanted to return to Hogwarts with his Death Eaters using the 
> portkey for a multiple-school ... massacre that would leave the 
> WW emotionally lost and dark.
> That isn't theater, that's terror.
> 
> -Kemper

bboyminn:

As others have already established Terror is precisely grand theater
on the 'world stage'. 

As far as your proposed 'captuure Harry' scenario, I responded to it
as far as you took it. As far as you took it, it was flawed. Now that
you've taken it a little farther, it is in the realm of possibility.
That is unless you are playing on the world stage. 

For Harry to simply randomly disappear, or even to disappear from of
Moody's office, creates too slow and too soft a response on the world
stage (ie: in the media). For him to disappear at a major high profile
event, in front of the Ministry, Dumbledore, and the world, that plays
much better and induces much greater fear when it play so vividly on
the world stage.

Once again, this is an example of Voldemort taking 'center stage'
while never setting foot on the stage. At once both reclusive and
attention seeking.

I'm not denying you or your point, but again, I am attempting to put
some perspective on the discussion. 

Steve/Bboyminn