[HPforGrownups] When did Draco Imperius Rosmerta? (was: Re: CHAPDISC: hbp12, Silver and Opals)

[rebecca]

No: HPFGUIDX 149854

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> Betsy Hp:
> Since we've not heard mention of an object baring the Imperius Curse
> I think that idea is a stretch.  It seems like Draco mainly used
> Rosmerta to tell him when Dumbledore was out of Hogwarts, which
> would be easy to sum up in a word or two to fit on a coin.
>
> And if there *is* a helper, then they were responsible for the
> necklace incident.  And Draco himself would have been able to
> arrange for the poisoned mead.  So those orders would have occured
> face to face.
>
>> >>Carol:
>> 3) The unknown helper in Hogsmeade was not Bellatrix, PP, or
>> Kreacher, for the reasons stated above, nor was it a kid like
>> Blaise.
>> <snip>
>
> Betsy Hp:
> I still think Bellatrix is an option.  Because her attack on
> Rosmerta and the orders she delivered could well have occured in the
> cover of darkness.  Total freedom of movement doesn't seem to be all
> that necessary for Draco's helper, I think.

Rebecca:

As those who have known me to post in the past, I'm game for the murky world 
of hypothesis. Here goes...anything. :)  This is only speculation and my 
particular take on things;  as such, feel free to dissect at will.

While Blaise does appear in this scene, I think I'm more inclined to believe 
his presence a JKR "red herring." Why?  Because of this:

"....there were a couple of warlocks sitting close by who were staring at 
Harry with great interest...."

Let's note that their interest was conveniently mentioned *after* Harry says 
the following upon entering the Three Broomsticks:

"The moment he was inside, Harry burst out, "He was nicking Sirius's stuff!" 
"

And not to be forgotten:

"Can't the Order control Mundungus?" Harry demanded of the other two in a 
furious whisper. "Can't they at least stop him stealing everything that's 
not fixed down when he's at headquarters?"

Harry is being almost haphazardly indiscreet in his frustration by 
mentioning Sirius, The Order, Mundungus, and headquarters apparently within 
earshot of others (although the latter is in a "furious whisper" after his 
shouting has gotten, well, some attention.) And those 2 warlocks?  In 
another life on another list, I mentioned that JKR's use of "warlocks" 
always makes me uneasy, because I couldn't figure out who qualifies to be a 
warlock. A very fine poster responded and shared with me that her 
interpretation of the people described as such were "older" wizards.  So 
where does that leave me?  Perhaps original Death Eaters, methinks. 
Mulciber, who is an Imperius Curse specialist, and the elder Rosier.  They'd 
might be enough to qualify as older or old wizards, warlocks, having been at 
school with Tom Riddle.  I say this because most of the septology is written 
from Harry's POV - therefore, they'd be "older" and might fit the definition 
given me by my fellow poster. Or they could simply be in disguise, having 
taken an aging potion to make them look even more older. (That potion has to 
come into play elsewhere in the series other than GoF, doesn't it?)

Yes, Mulciber was at the DoM in OoP, and may have made it to Azkaban for 
that - and maybe not. I don't believe we've ever got an accurate accounting 
of who is and isn't there (with one notable exception being Lucius "Don't 
Mess Up My Hair" Malfoy), since we are told at the beginning of HBP the 
Dementors fled Azkaban to join forces with LV.

Again, guesswork.  Just as plausible as any and as unlikely as the next :)

Rebecca, who also thinks the big blond DE described in HBP is not the same 
guy as the brutal faced DE but that's a different post