The Huge overreactions from a five minute time span.

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 150218

> Betsy Hp:
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> No, Snape wasn't entirely innocent.  But that doesn't mean that he 
> deserved to be so humiliated, or that James, and his little 
friends 
> too (yes I'm looking at you, Lupin!), were not behaving badly.

Alla:

And nowhere in my post I said that he deserved to be humiliated or 
that James and Sirius were not behaving badly. I said that IMO there 
hints that Pensieve scene is a VERY incomplete view of Marauders and 
Snape relationship and I stand by it, I said that there is a 
possibility that even though in that scene Snape did nothing to 
provoke James and Sirius bullying, it is possible that in a "cosmic 
justice" sense, he was getting back what he was dishing out, namely 
being humiliated with his own creation. Does it mean that he 
deserved it? Surely not, but neither did many other Hogwarts 
students who were being turned upside down BECAUSE Snape created 
that curse, so maybe just maybe Universe was throwing the bad thing 
that Snape did back at him.

So, "he deserved to be humiliated " is an incorrect interpretation 
of what I said.

 
> > >>Alla:
> > Let me say it again, put the GoF train incident into pensieve 
from
> > the moment Draco gets hexed and Draco would be innocent victim of
> > big bad Gryffindors and it would be one again six....  Yeah, 
big   
> > bad bullies they are, no matter that Harry is recovering 
from      
> > horrible ordeal and the last thing anybody wants to hear is 
Draco 
> > threats and mockery of Voldemort's victim.
> 
> Betsy Hp:
> But I *do* think the Gryffindors behaved badly here and that Draco 
> and friends did *not* deserve to be physically attacked as they 
> were.  It doesn't mean I think Draco is a sweet, innocent, fluffy 
> little bunny.  It does mean that I've never been a fan of 
> overwhelming force and attacking from behind.  (Unless we're 
talking 
> actual war, in which case, damn the torpedoes, etc., etc., <g>)
> 
> So while context helps, it doesn't guarantee everyone will see a 
> scene the same way.

Alla:

Please answer me this question - do you think that Draco is a victim 
in that scene, not whether Gryffindors overreacted, etc, do you 
think that in that scene Draco is a victim, because if you do, well, 
then yes, my example does not hold water for you, but for many 
people it does, IMO, because while it is possible to say that 
Gryffindors overreacted ( I don't think for a single second that 
they did - I don't see any other way how Harry's friends could react 
after he had been through the hell and here Draco shows up with his 
threats and mockery), but I can see an interpretation that they 
could do a little less hexing on "poor" Draco.

But I honestly don't see how ANYBODY can argue that Draco was a 
victim here, because with context we see that he came and provoked 
Gryffindors very badly and that was my initial point that with 
context Draco is not a victim, but someone who had no business being 
in gryffs compartment.

THAT was the point I was trying to make with pensieve scene, NOT 
that Gryffs did not behave badly, but that it is possible that we 
did not see Snape also behaving badly before or after that scene, 
thus his behaviour would look differently in different context.

Some posters argued that there was no place to have the 
confrontation, since memory started right after the exam. True, it 
did, but by context I did not even mean immediate context, just 
other episodes of their confrontation.