Lily' sacrifice v James' sacrifice WAS: Perfect Lily

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No: HPFGUIDX 150234

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "M.Clifford" <Aisbelmon at ...> 
wrote:
>
> Valky (hoping Saraquel is around to help with this one):
> I think he offered her three choices. ;) In another JKR quote we 
are
> told definitely *not* to look at Dumbledore as a christ figure. 
Okay
> so I could be reading too much into it but if not Dumbledore then
> isn't there only one choice left? Perfect, spotless Lily. 
> 
> And Lily has plenty of Christ figure canon to be going with while 
we
> are at it - dying to bequeath the lasting legacy of Love through 
her
> own sacrifice and blood, 'kicking over tables' in the church of the
> most righteous James Potter and Sirius Black and standing up for 
the
> downtrodden ungodly societal outcast, even her name is a christ 
symbol!
> 
> Yep, I pick Lily as the christ figure, and as a christ figure she 
may
> well have been tempted by the satan figure of the story, Voldemort.
> Tempted three times if I recall correctly. :)
> 
> Okay I have laid my premise, now I run! Here's the three offers
> Voldemort made to Lily in Godrics Hollow, drawn from parallel of 
the
> thre temptations of christ.
> 
> First we need a lemma, half speculative - Lily was famous (well 
thats
> canon but.. I mean) She was really really famous, super famous. The
> procurer of a very powerful and rare form of magic in the WW so 
rare
> and wonderful that even Dumbledore would envy it if he had so much 
as
> a green bone in his gentle old quirky self. And Lily was very well
> known for her majestic benevolent magic, the ministry, the DE, the 
WW,
> and Voldemort.
> 
> So now we have Super-Lily, and I would like you to imagine her in
> Godrics Hollow face to face with Voldemort, he says to her -
> 
> Show me your famous magic, let me be impressed by your genius. 
(Turn
> stones to bread)
> 
> Lily answers No.
> 
> Okay then, Duel me with your famous magic, you won't die. (Cast 
your
> self down and you'll be protected.)
> 
> Lily answers No
> 
> Alright Mrs Potter, if you will not be tempted with those things 
then
> let me see you pass this up, I know how great you are and I want 
you
> for myself. Give up the child and I will give you the world, you 
and I
> will be one great ruler of all things. 
> 
> No.
> 
> Comments anyone?


Marianne:
Aside from my own personal preference to not have any completely 
saintly, godly or Christly characters rattling around Potterverse, I 
do have some questions.  Are you posing the three rejections of 
Voldemort by Lily as what JKR meant when she said the Potters defied 
Voldemort three times?  (I'm pretty sure she said "Potters" plural, 
so that implies to me that James was part of this defiance.)  Also, 
the Longbottoms, too, are described as having defied or rejected 
Voldemort three times.  I guess Voldemort might be using different 
questions, methods, temptations or persuasive arguments with each 
set of parents, and may also have a second set of the same designed 
especailly for the two mothers of the boys in which he's interested, 
but that strikes me as too convoluted. OTOH, Evil Overlords 
frequently get tripped up by their own over-the-top planning. 

I guess what I'm saying is that there seems to be canon that covers 
Vmort's interest in not just Lily, but the other 3 parents of Harry 
and Neville.  Maybe he was just covering all his bases even though 
he suspected that Super-Lily might be the correct mother to target, 
and thus designed a test just for her. Which would mean that she and 
James defied Vmort three times, and then Lily threw in another 3 
renounciations right before Vmort killed her.

By the way, although JKR said that DD should not be considered a 
Christ figure, did she imply that someone else fills that position 
in her story?  Or are the fans making the assumption that someone 
has to fill that role?

Marianne