Lily' sacrifice v James' sacrifice WAS: Perfect Lily

[M.Clifford]

No: HPFGUIDX 150249


> 
> Marianne:
> Aside from my own personal preference to not have any completely 
> saintly, godly or Christly characters rattling around Potterverse, I 
> do have some questions.  Are you posing the three rejections of 
> Voldemort by Lily as what JKR meant when she said the Potters defied 
> Voldemort three times?  (I'm pretty sure she said "Potters" plural, 
> so that implies to me that James was part of this defiance.)  Also, 
> the Longbottoms, too, are described as having defied or rejected 
> Voldemort three times.  I guess Voldemort might be using different 
> questions, methods, temptations or persuasive arguments with each 
> set of parents, and may also have a second set of the same designed 
> especailly for the two mothers of the boys in which he's interested, 
> but that strikes me as too convoluted. OTOH, Evil Overlords 
> frequently get tripped up by their own over-the-top planning. 

Valky:
Hahaha, Marianne :) 

but seriously my proposition is not that convoluted. No I don't mean
to imply that these are the prophecy's three defiances, I am
specualting only on what precisely was different about Lily's
sacrifice compared to any other person who has died to save someone
else from Voldemort. 

It occurs to me that, well it's actually almost a given, that
Voldemort is his own undoing, and besides it was *his* powers that
were transferred to Harry, not Lily's or anyone elses, so it stands to
reason to say that something big was on offer in Godrics Hollow, I
don't think Voldemorts powers donation was charitable. <g>

I understand your aversion to the perfect saintly white dot
'blemishing' (LOL) the horizon of the otherwise colourful and very
real WW. That's fair enough, I appreciate you qualifying that for me
in your comment. :)


> Marianne:
> I guess what I'm saying is that there seems to be canon that covers 
> Vmort's interest in not just Lily, but the other 3 parents of Harry 
> and Neville.  Maybe he was just covering all his bases even though 
> he suspected that Super-Lily might be the correct mother to target, 
> and thus designed a test just for her. Which would mean that she and 
> James defied Vmort three times, and then Lily threw in another 3 
> renounciations right before Vmort killed her.

Valky:
Well yeah. But not in such a way that it was a clunking machine of
allegorical defiance. I would rather to assume that the scene was very
much more fluid and natural than that. More along the lines of
Voldemort expecting Lily to flaunt her super powers at him, because
he's just so worth it, you know, in the typical and narcissistic way
Voldemort does things. So in some respects her last defiances come
across more as a surprise to him than anything.


> 
> By the way, although JKR said that DD should not be considered a 
> Christ figure, did she imply that someone else fills that position 
> in her story?  Or are the fans making the assumption that someone 
> has to fill that role?
> 
> Marianne
>

Valky:
LOL, no just me taking a stab at something for the sheer heck of it. 

:)