Dumbledore MAY be alive.... and his name may be Godric Gryffindor

[Geoff Bannister]

No: HPFGUIDX 150266

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Adriana" <glykonix at ...> wrote:

Glykonix:
> Who really is Albus dumbledore.

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> Yes I know that by now you deem me worthy of a place in St Mungo, but 
> hear me out. It all starts with the first book when Dumbledore hid the 
> philosophers stone in Erised's mirror. Now even though at the time he 
> seemed omniscient there was no way he could have predicted exactly how 
> things would occurred.(if he wasn't so manipulative as to orchestrate 
> it all) And I don't know who else but Harry in the state in which he 
> was, could have taken the stone back from the mirror. It's hard to 
> believe that there is somebody, who not for one moment would think of 
> using the stone for himself, a stone that grants immortality and 
> immeasurable wealth
 With the possible exception of somebody who IS 
> immortal already. And this brings me back to good old Dumbledore. He 
> is immortal thus he could get the stone out if he wanted since he did 
> not need it for himself. 

> Not yet convinced
 not even by half you tell me.  
> 
> I do find the friendship between Nicholas Flamel and Dumbledore a bit 
> odd. There is a 500 hundred year gap between then, but then again 
> there is no one as old as Flamel so it should not be so surprising.
> 
> Passing on to how could Dumbledore be immortal when we have just seen 
> him die. Yes it's true we saw him being hit by the killing curse, but 
> then again we also saw in book five, how Fawkes swallowed the killing 
> Curse aimed at Dumbledore and in a way he did die but then as he is a 
> Phoenix was born again from his ashes. And that people is what I 
> believe Dumbledore did. He was hit by the killing curse he died and 
> then at his burial he was on fire, a fire in which Harry was able to 
> see a white Phoenix. And that is what I think Dumbledore is
 a human 
> Phoenix. 


Geoff:
A couple of thoughts

(1) The Philospher's Stone does not "grant" immortality. the extension of life comes from 
taking the Elixir but, as we know from PS, if a person ceases to take it, then they die.

(2) On what grounds does you assume that Dumbledore is immortal? There is no 
indication in canon that he has been taking the Elixir himself and , when we meet him, his 
age seems to be within the normal parameters for a wizard. The theory for him being a 
phoenix is an interesting one but, again, much of your interesting hypothesis is 
speculative and hasn't got the underpinning from canon - yet(?).