Sportsmanship/legitimacy

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 151971

> Geoff:
> Being pedantic, he couldn't have on his own.
> <skip>
> So he was only one of a minimum of five people involved in 
decision 
> making.
> 
> a_svirn:
> Fair point. But other four don't particularly interest me. That 
> Bagman is involved in double-dealing of every kind, or Karkaroff 
is 
> unfair etc. is only to be expected. That Dumbledore stoops to 
their 
> level is something else again. 

Alla:

Does Dumbledore stoops to their level? I thought that Geoff' s point 
was that without four others Dumbledore CANNOT do anything even if 
he would want to.


 
> Alla:
> And I completely disagree that other champions were punished. They
> were just not rewarded. Because none of them tried to save other
> hostages.
> 
> a_svirn:
> They didn't HAVE TO save other hostages. What's wrong with 
Cedric's 
> and Krum's character? Are you saying that they deliberately 
> abandoned other hostages to the certain death?  

Alla:

If you show me the canon that other champions knew for sure that 
other hostages were not in danger then yes, I would agree with you 
that they did not have to save other hostages. Otherwise, I 
disagree, I don't think that Cedric and Victor deliberately bandoned 
the hostages, they just were concentrated on the "GAME" and IMO  did 
not look at the big picture. They did not go as FAR as Harry did in 
this particular situation. Does it mean that I think that in this 
situation they did not show as much of "moral fiber" as Harry did?

Yes, I think so.


a_svirn:
> And they certainly *were* punished. For one thing this is the 
nature 
> of contest: when your rival gains you loose. Since Harry should 
have 
> been on the third place, and was promoted to the first, Cedric and 
> Krum were correspondingly demoted – Cedric should have had 
> unchallenged advantage and had to share with Harry instead, and 
Krum 
> had two people ahead of him instead of one. For what crime?

Alla:

For not thinking that the girl can DIE and they can prevent it. It 
is NOT a crime at all, but it is a failure on their part IMO, UNLESS 
of course as I said that canon exists showing that they were aware 
that Gabrielle is in no real danger.


> Alla:
> Now, if there is canon that other champions knew for sure that the
> hostages are not in danger, I will of course abandon this part of 
my
> argument, but I honestly don't remember any such canon.
> 
> a_svirn:
> You mean to say that there was a logical possibility that 
Dumbledore 
> would sacrifice his students in order to test champions' 
character? 
> You are hard on the old man.
>

Alla:

No, I meant to say that we know for a fact that people DIED in TWT 
in the past and how can we exclude a possibility that one of the 
tasks can include the danger for the hostages too not just for the 
contestants.

JMO,

Alla