CHAPDISC HBP 15, The Unbreakable Vow

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No: HPFGUIDX 152099

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67"
<justcarol67 at ...> wrote:
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> 6) Why do you think that Harry invited Luna to Slughorn's party?
What
> does his doing so tell us about him, compared to or contrasted with
> Hermione's inviting Cormac McLaggen? Do you agree with Harry that
> Hermione got what she deserved when Cormac ambushed her under the
> mistletoe? Why or why not?

Alla:

That Harry IS capable of being a good friend.
Harry just hoped for Luna to have a great time and went for it. He
does not plan for it, he just offers IMO " from the heart" and here
we see another moment IMO similar to much discussed "second task" in
another thread. Harry does not expect to get anything for his kind
gesture and he should not expect to GET anything, but he gets
something - Ginny likes that he is taking Luna ( IMO she is also
sincere here), so Harry gets sort of the reward, again not that it
should be expected.

And whether Hermione deserved it? YES, IMO, every single moment of
that.


Carol:
> > 2) Hermione says that love potions are not Dark or dangerous, but
> > Harry, the intended recipient, disagrees. How "dark" is
Romilda's
> > plot to get Harry to take her to Slughorn's party by, erm,
> > potioning him?
>
> SSSusan:
> I'm with Harry on this one!  In fact, I'm rather shocked that
> Hermione makes this claim.  Just think about Merope and Tom; the
> consequences can be pretty ghastly.  <SNIP>

Alla:

You know what I am thinking? I am wondering whether Hermione would
be singing a different tune about Love potions if somebody used it
on her?

They are horrible, IMO. Love potions, I mean.


> SSSusan:
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> I mean, I'm convinced he's DDM!, and I find him a fascinating
person,
> but I definitely don't like the guy.  I *might* by the end of Book
7,
> but that's TBD.  So when I read about him being given a bit of a
hard
> time, I tend to think things like, "See how it feels??"

Alla:

If we multiply yours "see how it feels??", we will get my
reaction. :)

But now I am curious, if you don't mind answering. We know that we
see who Snape IS ( his character, NOT his loyalties) quite similar
and  since you do think already that Snape IS DD!M and still don't
like his general character, what may cause you to like Snape
as "person" in book 7? I am just at genuine loss what Snape may do
even if he is faithful Dumbledore man,who killed Dumbledore on his
orders in order to change his "character' in book 7.

That question of course does not apply if one sees Snape's character
as heroic, romantic, noble, whatever. I know you don't see it that
way. You see Snape as having SOME nobility which means following DD
orders, right?

So, yeah, my inquiring mind wants to know :)


SSSusan:
<SNIP>
  So, again, I find it rather amusing when Snape's
> own skills & accomplishments are... "underacknowledged," shall we
say?

Alla:

My word for that is "satisfying", extremely satisfying, but
unfortunately that scene is not nearly enough for me to be fully
satisfying :)


Carol:
> > 14) How did this chapter affect your views on where Snape's 
> loyalties lie? Why do you think the chapter is titled "The 
Unbreakable Vow" 
> when
> > the vow is barely mentioned?
> 
> zgirnius:
> Spinner's End tipped me off the fence and into the DDM! camp. This 
> chapter confirmed my view. Particularly Snape's little "Freudian 
> slip" in his talk with Draco:
> "What thoughts are you trying to conceal from your master, Draco?"
> (YOUR master? not OUR?)
>

Alla:

Oh, this is a good catch Zara, good catch indeed. But if I may say 
it will work just as well if Snape does not consider neither 
Dumbledore no Voldemort his master, no? In essense that is perfectly 
fine if Snape is his own master, IMO.

Alla.
Thank you for the great questions Carol. Too bad I
debated with myself for too long whether to answer or not and now
everything else which I wanted to say initially is said. Oh well,
different threads often emerge from chapters discussions, I am sure
there will be a place for my two cents. :)