Bad Love in HBP (was:Re: Calling Tonks Nymphadora...)

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> Betsy Hp:
> I've lately come to the conclusion that HBP is all about "bad
> love".  <snip> I think HBP is filled with example of "bad love":
>
> The liberal use of love potions through out the books (and the
> destruction they leave in their paths) point to a "bad love" of a
> particularly grasping sort.
>
> Tonk's pining actually costs her her power, which *is* a
weakness.
> And the pining can be defined as "bad love".  It's a very self
> involved sort of feeling.
>
> Ron and Hermione's feelings for each other actually caused each
> other a great deal of pain.  Because they both wanted the other to
> be the one to give.  Another case of "bad love".
>
> And I really think Ginny's anger might be traced back to a "bad
> love" cause, whether it's Harry, or her jealosy regarding Bill, or
> even a reaction to her mother's fears.

Alla:

I disagree partially. Sure we had seen plenty of bad love in HBP,
but what we also saw IMO are conflicts between those who are truly
in love and that is why I disagree that this is not love at all.

Tonks "pining".... Well, it seems that she and Remus resolved their
problems at the end, no? Since they are seen holding hands

Ron and Hermione had problems. Sure, they did, but at the funeral
Ron is hugging Hermione and it seems to me it will all go uphill,
not downhill from there.

Not sure what you mean about Ginny's anger. As I said I think it
is "hormones". You think her love of Harry is bad cause? Or
something else?

And of course we have Bill and Fleur, who have IMO very powerful
scene at the end, so I really cannot call their love "bad" and Molly
and Arthur, who had been together through thin and thick, survived
first Voldemort's rising, when Voldemort spreaded mistrust in
wizarding community.

They stayed together, they raised eight children. I really don't
think that their love can be called bad.

Betsy Hp:
> But if this is the case, I think book 7 will be all about "good
> love" or real, actual love.  And I think we've already got hints
> about it.  Dumbledore's sacrifice is an ultimate example
of "giving
> love".  Perhaps Ginny's willingness to let Harry go can be seen as
> an example of "giving love" too.  We're all expecting a great deal
> of Lily in the next book, and she's already expressed the sort of
> ultimate "giving love" or "good love" when she sacrificed herself
> for Harry.

Alla:

But your examples are only sacrificial love. While I think it would
be given a great deal of importance, I don't think that this is
would be shown as the only kind of good love and relationships will
thrive IMO.


Betsy Hp:
> I have a feeling that once we're done with book 7 it will be
fairly
> obvious that the "love" expressed in HBP wasn't real love all.
(Not
> that the couples set up in HBP won't be couples in book 7, but
that
> they'll be healthier relationships, if that makes sense.)

Alla:

I guess I am confused now, because if you are not saying that all
couples of HBP would disappear, but their relationships will emerge
as healthier then I agree with you. BUT then why do you say that HBP
love was not a real love at all? Isn't it better defined as first
stage of real love, full of conflicts and misunderstandings, but the
one who will survive eventually?

JMO,

Alla