Ginny Haters/ a bit of Draco

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 152187

> Pippin:
> No. Voldemort could not leave the pages of the diary, not until it
> had almost consumed Ginny at the end. There was no way he could
> leave part of himself in Ginny and part in the diary. 
> As we know, souls cannot be split except through an act of murder,
> and the diary didn't kill anyone. 
> 
> When she threw the Diary away, she was free, except for her fear 
that 
> what she had done would be found out and she would have to leave
> Hogwarts. In a way she's more culpable than Draco, because she knew
> that what she was doing was wrong, and yet she did it anyway.

Alla:

I am not sure how I got  myself into comparing Ginny and Draco's 
actions if I initially said that IMO their actions are not really 
comparable, but I guess arguing that possessed child is just as 
liable as murderous teenager makes me want to disagree with such an 
argument.

Especially when the only thing this child knew initially was that 
she got an extra book among her schoolbooks and when the teenager 
knew that he is getting into the planning of the murder of 
Headmaster of Hogwarts. For canon that Ginny was quite likely 
possessed all the time, see Catlady's post.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/152185

She said it much better than I ever could and saved me the canon-
typing part too. Thanks!

Moreover, assuming Ginny WAS in full control of her facilities when 
she stole the diary, which I most strongly disagree with, you are 
not arguing that she stole the diary in order to plan anybody's 
murders? Which is what Draco was doing through HBP ( planning 
murders and almost succeeding in two of them).

> Carol again:
<SNIP of the whole post basically>
... but Draco keeps him in the dark about the vanishing
> cabinet, which he volunteered to fix before he knew the use to 
which
> Voldemort would want him to put it (not just using the cabinet to 
get
> DEs into Hogwarts, but using them as back up when he murders
> Dumbledore). 
<SNIP>

Alla:

I snipped your post,because I am only confused about this part of it.

Draco DID volunteer to fix the cabinet, but where do you get that he 
volunteered to do so before he knew that he is assigned to kill 
Dumbledore?

I am confused about chronology, I guess. I mean, I may agree with 
you that it was independent from assignment of killing DD, but if 
Draco already knew that he had this assignment, wouldn't it make 
more sense that it was not independent?

Mgpie's reading makes more sense to me in this part, I suppose.


JMO,

Alla, counts to four and becomes invisible. :-)