[HPforGrownups] Draco's Plot (was: Re: Ginny Haters/ a bit of Draco)

[Magpie]

No: HPFGUIDX 152251

> Carol responds:
> Problem: 1) and 2) are contradictory and cannot both be true.

Magpie:
Sorry, I said 1/2 because they both include Voldemort giving Draco the task 
to kill DD and Draco responding with the Cabinet plot.  We don't know if 
Draco went to him or Voldemort called for Draco, and it's never much 
described as important.  I'd say canon leans much more towards 1.

Carol:
 But I've already cited the canon supporting my
> chronology upthread, whereas you're deducing yours from the incomplete
> information on which the adult characters base their assumptions.

Magpie:
Canon citation for this chronology is exactly what I haven't seen anywhere. 
You are making a claim to a certain thing happening in canon. Proving it, 
imo,  would require some canon that references this scene as taking place. 
What we have in canon is Snape, Narcissa and Bellatrix all talking about how 
Draco has been given a task to kill DD because Voldemort is punishing Lucius 
and wants Draco to die.  We have Draco impressing his friends with cryptic 
references to something Voldemort wants him to do.  We have Draco working on 
the Cabinet plot, which gives him backup to kill DD.  We have Dumbledore 
elaborating on how Lucius not only screwed up at the MoM, but destroyed 
Voldemort's Diary, putting him in Voldemort's bad graces.  We have Snape 
agreeing to vow to watch over Draco and kill DD if it seems Draco will fail. 
Draco's being given this task without first coming up with a plan to get DEs 
into the castle never seems to be an issue for anyone in canon.

In the end we wind up with Snape arriving in the Tower to find a bunch of 
DEs Draco's brought into the castle standing around urging Draco to kill a 
weakened DD.  Snape is under a UV at this point to complete Draco's 
task--that task being kill Dumbledore.  Fenrir has come with the DEs, and 
Draco says that's a surprise to him.  Snape kills DD.  All this happens 
after a long conversation between Dumbledore and Draco where much is 
explained--we get a lot of Draco's story that we couldn't see because we 
were in Harry's head.  DD talks about his mental state, they go over Protego 
coins, Imperius by Rosemerta, the necklace, the mead.  Draco tells us just 
how he came up with the idea for the Cabinet, starting back last year with 
Montague.  At no time does anyone, including Draco when he tells the story 
of the Cabinet Plot, suggest that Draco originally had gone to Voldemort 
offering to create a portal into the school, which then gave Voldemort the 
idea to tell him to kill DD (somehow knowing that giving Draco that task 
along with the original plan to fix the cabinets would lead to the exact 
situation we find ourselves in in the Lightning Struck Tower).  This is 
exactly the kind of thing the final conversation between Dumbledore and 
Draco is about, but it's not there.

That's what I need for canon evidence that this took place. If we get that 
in Book VII I'll go with it.  Imagining how things might have been from 
Voldemort's pov doesn't hold much water for me. It's true we're not privvy 
to what's going on on the Dark Side so we're often getting our information 
second hand, but in some instances this is why we need to pay more attention 
to what we get.  I think JKR found ways of giving us the basics of the 
situation we were following the only way she could.

-m