Draco's Plot (was: Re: Ginny Haters/ a bit of Draco)

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 152269

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "horridporrid03"
<horridporrid03 at ...> wrote:

> Betsy Hp:
> ...edited...
> 
> ...edited...
> 
> I also question the supposition that Draco had the Vanishing Cabinet 
> plan in mind from the moment of recieving the assignment.  Why on 
> earth would he wait an entire summer before approaching Borgin about 
> how to fix the cabinet?  For that matter, why would he wait (and why 
> would Voldemort *let him wait*) to prevent Borgin from selling the 
> Cabinet in the store?
> 
> For that matter, it doesn't make sense that Draco knew about the 
> Cabinets until the summer.  Montague wasn't talking when he first 
> came out of the cabinet.  And he was whisked off campus before he 
> made a recovery.
> 

bboyminn:

Look at the timing of this. You said yourself that Draco was not
likely to be able to talk to Montague until after the end of the
school year. So, it takes Draco a bit of time to realize the value of
what he has concluded that no one else seems to see. The Cabinets are
a way of getting into the Castle undetected.

Now more time passes as Draco tries to indirectly relay this
information to Voldemort. Draco's father, possibly his mother, his
Aunt, and his aunts husband and brother-in-law are Death Eaters, plus
Draco probably knows many other DE's. It wouldn't be that hard to get
a message to Voldemort. If Draco has a secret way into the Castle, I
think Voldemort would want to talk to him about it.

More time passes, the plan is created and Draco is a Borgin's right on
schedule, asking for information on fixing the broken cabinet, and
telling Borgin not to sell the mating cabinet. 

I really don't see any chronological discontinuity there, every thing
seem right on schedule.

I still claim that knowledge of the Cabinet is the start of everything.


> 
> Betsy Hp:
> ...  The moment Voldemort starts going all out, he cooks up a 
> plan to kill Dumbledore, and Snape is the assassin.  Draco is a 
> distraction and a nicely cruel way to punish a naughty Death Eater.
> 


bboyminn:

Actually, on this one point, I can somewhat agree with you. It's just
the details getting to this one point that we differ on. I still say
the Voldemort is always planning and scheming to kill Dumbledore, but
can never come up with an effective and likely way of doing it. Draco
provides a method of attacking Dumbledore, and the plan proceeds from
there. 

> Betsy Hp:
> I agree with Magpie, there doesn't seem to be any point to getting 
> the Death Eaters into Hogwarts except as backup for Draco.  ...
> 
> 

bboyminn:

I've already said this in another post in this thread, but it bares
repeating. If Voldemort wants to punish the Malfoys, he will just
punish them rather that resorting to a long drawn out wacky scheme.
The 'Plan' makes no sense as punishment since Voldemort is constantly
punishing people all the time for reasons large and small. It only
makes sense if the 'tormenting the Malfoys' aspect is a secondary part
of a much better, more effective and productive plan. 

I think you are likely right, Draco was merely a distraction, but
Draco getting DE's into the castle is important and critical. Further
once in the Castle, Draco become irrelavant, Snape or other DE's can
attempt to kill Dumbledore. 

As to why Snape hasn't killed Dumbledore in the past, that was not his
job. Voldemort sent Snape to Dumbledore as a spy; unknow to Voldemort
Snape turned spy for Dumbledore. It's is conceivable that Voldemort
eventually planned to have Snape kill Dumbledore, but he was vaporized
before he could give that order. Now he is only recently back, and
needs to know what the Ministry and Dumbledore know, and what they are
doing to thwart him. Snape at this time is more valuable as a spy than
 Dumbledore is dead. 

In the most recent book however, Voldemort is out in the open creating
chaos in the world. Voldemort's confidence is growing, he sees his old
power returing, he sees that now, at this point when Voldemort is
ready to regain control, it is the perfect time to eliminate his most
dangerous competition, and Draco gives him a method for doing this. 

It seems unreasonable for Voldemort to truly expect Draco to be able
to kill Dumbledore when far better wizards than he have failed. So,
maybe now is the time to force Snape to act. Snape says as much,
saying that he suspects Voldemort expects Snape to do 'it' in the end.
With Dumbledore out of the way, Snape is more valuable as a DE than as
a Spy. In other words, Voldemort is confident enough of his position
that he can afford to lose Snape-the Spy, and gain Snape-the General.

Since I say that Voldemort is always planning to kill Dumbledore and
this is nothing new, the difference is that now someone, Draco, has
given him a method, and a true plan proceeds from there. So, I have
yet to be convinced that the Vanishing Cabinets are not the seed from
which the entire plan is spawned. That is the first chronological
event, and the first logical event, and everything proceeds from there.

Just this man's opinion.

Steve/bboyminn