Snape, Apologies, and Redemption--Lupin vs. DD

[leslie41]

No: HPFGUIDX 152584

Leslie41

> > We know that Lupin does not approve, even though he doesn't put 
> > a stop to it or question it.  (Or do you think that Lupin 
> > approves?)  So how can you assume DD approves of Snape's nasty 
> > personality because HE does not intervene?   

Lupinlore:
> > Hmmm.  I don't think it is patently ridiculous.  I rather think 
> > that teenage Lupin probably did, in his heart of hearts, rather 
> > approve of what happened to Snape.  Lupin does have many 
> > faults.  <snip>  I rather think Harry was right to 
> > be incredulous when Lupin claimed to "neither like nor dislike 
> > Severus Snape."  Sounds like a case of denial to me.

Leslie41:
No.  Lupin, I think, is being perfectly truthful.  And he absolutely 
did not approve of what was done to Snape.  Look at his reaction 
when he realizes that his friends are about to torment him.  Quoted 
from "Snape's Worst Memory":

> Lupin and Wormtail remained sitting: Lupin was still staring down 
> at his book, though his eyes were not moving and a faint frown 
> line had appeared between his eyebrows; Wormtail was looking from 
> Sirius and James to Snape with a look of avid anticipation on his 
> face. 

Lupin refuses to participate.  Not only that, he's closed himself 
off and does not want to be a part of any of what James and Sirius 
are doing at all.  He doesn't even want to see it.  And behind that 
book, he is frowning.  He hates what his friends are doing to 
Snape.  It's Wormtail who is anticipating and enjoying what his 
friends are about to do.  Not Lupin.    

> Lupinlore:
> The faults of Sirius were also many, it is true.  And yes, 
> Rowling's work will be severely flawed if they are not dealt 
> with.  Not as flawed as with Snape, as Black's sins were nowhere 
> near as egregious as Snape's. 

Leslie41:
That may be very correct, if what we're talking about are Snape's 
actions as a Death Eater.  But we really don't know exactly what he 
did when he was amongst Voldemort's willing minions.  Or what he's 
done as a spy.

But if you're comparing Snape's actions towards his students to 
Black's actions towards Snape (and who knows who else?), you're 
manifestly wrong, unless Snape has attempted to murder one of his 
charges.  Remember that Black's guilty of attempted murder.  That's 
certainly a far more egregious sin than anything I can think of 
regarding Snape.