Snape, Apologies, and Redemption--Lupin vs. DD

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 152585

Alla:

Midnight. Yeay.

Leslie_41
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> I don't think Snape is right about imparting the sins of the 
father 
> onto the son. 

Alla:

Good, we agree on it then.

Leslie_41:
But there is a lot of wrong to be handed out on both 
> sides.  Harry is not an innocent with regard to his relationship 
> with Snape.
>

Alla:
LOL! I understand that it is much easier to justify Snape's behavior 
with this argument, when 36 years old teacher and 11 year old child 
are equally to blame for their behavior. But I don't think it holds 
water at all. Harry IS totally innocent when he first meets Snape. 
Harry does not KNOW Snape at all, from what I am reading in the 
first lesson, Harry is SO unprejudiced that he (or narrator through 
Harry eyes, before Carol corrects me :) is saying that Snape had a 
GIFT to keep class quiet. That is despite the fact that Harry 
already had been told bad things about Slytherin House and met Draco 
Malfoy, who as far as I am concerned behaved as an absolute *ss, so 
Harry could have had a dislike for Slytherin Head of the House , 
which I would find totally understandable. But he does not. He says 
that Snape had a gift, which to me sounds as a positive evaluation 
of the teacher.

That is to me the remark of the student, who is ready to LIKE his 
teacher. And in response he gets the attack of the dog, who is 
biting a kid who looks just like his father. (totally my subjective 
description of course, but that is the picture I am getting from 
Snape's first lesson, as I mentioned previously)

I would really like to know what SINS Harry committed against Snape 
when he arrives at Hogwarts, besides looking like James of course.

As far as I am concerned Snape is totally owns the problem between 
them. I am not going to blame an eleven year old for hate of the 
teacher, who in my book treated him like an enemy from the moment 
they met.

Did Harry do some things which he would be better not doing to Snape 
later on? Like Pensieve for example? Sure, he did. He is not perfect.

But Snape started it and that is enough for me. Harry IMO does not 
have a prejudice against Snape. He has a very well deserved, 
justified hate of Snape.


> Leslie41:
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> But if you're comparing Snape's actions towards his students to 
> Black's actions towards Snape (and who knows who else?), you're 
> manifestly wrong, unless Snape has attempted to murder one of his 
> charges.  Remember that Black's guilty of attempted murder.  
That's 
> certainly a far more egregious sin than anything I can think of 
> regarding Snape.
>

Alla:

Um, that is at least not proven. SNAPE says so. Dumbledore does not. 
Dumbledore says " my memory is as good as ever", which may mean many 
numbers of things.

Show me that Sirius tied Snape up and brought him in the shack OR 
put him under Imperius!curse and then I may agree that he is guilty 
of attempted murder. Even then I would like to know what Black's 
intention actually was, but then there is at least some kind of case 
can be made for attempted murder part.

Oh, and JKR said that we will learn MORE about Prank, that to me 
means that we do not know everything of that night.

And of course there is a nice possibility that Snape already knew 
who Remus was since he was reading that essay about werewolves, so I 
can see the possibility that Snape went into Shack knowing full well 
whom he would be facing  and maybe wanting to try his hand of kill 
Remus?

There must be a reason why Snape assigns Harry class exactly the 
same essay that he wrote and we KNOW why he assigns the essay – to 
point who Remus was, could it be that he learned about who Remus was 
under the similar circumstances and went into the Shack thinking to 
try his hand in disposing of the dark creature, since he  liked DADA 
so much?
Could it be that this is why Dumbledore made Snape shut up about the 
events of the prank so easily? Not because of Dumbledore favoring 
Gryffindors or any other fanfiction staff,  but because Snape 
actually was mixed in the events of that night in NOT a good way.

The possibilities are endless, but NOWHERE in canon it is stated 
with absolute certainty that Black is guilty of attempted murder, 
except from Snape mouth of course, but if Snape never lies, do you 
think that everything he said in the Spinner End was true too?

And of course we do NOT know that Sirius Black was never punished, 
we only know that he was not expelled. Could it be that it was that 
Dumbledore thought that expulsion was too harsh of the punishment  
for what REALLY happened that night?


JMO,

Alla, who now  finally decided which question she will e-mail to JKR 
and keeping her fingers crossed  that she may answer.