Hagrid and Snape: Was Snape, Apologies, and Redemption

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No: HPFGUIDX 152748

> >>Magpie:
> But clearly he does get a pass by many people, because different
> people have different priorities.  It depends on what an individual
> person finds the most annoying or the most important.  If it were
> as clearcut as nice people getting a pass and mean people not
> getting a pass, Snape wouldn't have so many fans, and everyone
> would agree on the character.  Hagrid really doesn't get much of a
> pass on his teaching--less than Snape does in many ways, imo.
> <snip>

Betsy Hp:
The interesting thing this raises, IMO, is how does one
define "nice"?  I guess "polite" is the popular definition, but
doesn't this give Snape a clear-cut reason for giving Draco a pass
but not Harry?  After all, Draco is very polite (nice) to Snape, and
Harry is most definitely not.  With Hagrid, we see Hagrid being very
nice to Harry but not very nice to Draco.  So we see Harry giving
Hagrid a pass, while Draco judges Hagrid more harshly.

What's the correct form of judgement here?  Should Fudge give the
opinions of nice (to him) Lucius Malfoy more weight than the not so
nice (to him) Albus Dumbledore or Arthur Weasley?

Alla:

I said several times that my definition of "niceness" is certainly 
NOT politeness, or at least not superficial politeness. My definition 
( and of course it is only mine) of niceness is probably close to 
kindness.

You know- treat other human beings as you wish them to treat you, 
that kind of stuff.

That is why I am totally of the opinion that "nice"  ( NOT 
necessarily polite, but kind , GOOD to people around you) equals 
goodness in the general sense.

Person who torments his students on the general basis is NOT a good 
human being in my book, no matter whether he teaches his students 
something or not, because if student learns something in his class, 
but at the same time is so hurt in his class, that in my book is just 
not worth it. And yes, education means A LOT to me too.

I don't necessarily agree with Lupinlore that nice teachers in the 
Potterverse get a pass, unfortunately I would say that they don't so 
far, they suffer A LOT IMO.

Hagrid, who if I may brought in class Hypogriffs because they are 
SUPPOSED to be in the program, he just started them earlier, it is 
not like he brought the creatures for seventh year students in the 
third year class, as far as I remember, gets jerked around by the 
little bastard, who did not listen to the warnings, which were given 
loudly.

Lupin, well, do I even have to start? His prospects of ever returning 
to teaching were ruined forever by another bastard, who seized the 
opportunity and certainly took the most of it. ( Boy, was I glad that 
JKR called Snape's action for what it was – NOT that he had any kids 
safety reasons in his mind, when he did it)

So, yeah, Hagrid has MANY faults as a teacher, but definitely give me 
Hagrid and Lupin ANY time over Snape. Hagrid had a lot to learn as to 
how to be consistently good teacher, and especially how to not let 
Dracos get to him, IMO.

His first class was great, IMO. He brought superdangerous animals, 
who were in the programs, but he explained how to behave around them.

His confidence was shaken badly. More experienced teacher would not 
took all of this so close to heart and continued to teach well, I am 
sure Hagrid will learn.

The only thing is IMO carma is pretty good in JKR books for catching 
up with bastards, so hopefully Snape will get what he deserves at the 
end.

JMO,

Alla