witches of the world (was: Lavender vs Hermione)

[phoenixgod2000]

No: HPFGUIDX 160928


> Betsy Hp:
> Hee! I'd insert a Ginny joke but I see you've cleverly covered 
that 
> base. <eg>

Phoenixgod2000:

Don't I always :)

> Betsy Hp:
> Well, (a) you're assuming someone *can* easily flee from 
Voldemort's 
> wrath, which ignores all the canon speaking towards the severely 
> shortened life-expectency of anyone on the  "Must kill now" list 

Of course most of the people on that list stayed in country because 
they wanted to fight against him.  I don't think Voldie has that 
much pull outside of the Isles. No one from the Tri-Wizard Tourny 
was all that impressed with the boy who lived which says to me he 
isn't famous outside of his country. Which means that Voldemort 
didn't have a strong base of support on the mainland.  I think a 
powerful determined witch could easily go to ground and never pop up 
again.

> And (b) I think you're selling short the danger inherent in going 
to 
> a *Death Eater* for help in undermining a plan Voldemort has 
cooked 
> up.  I mean, we in HPfGUs land may have our theories, but in 
> Potterverse, as far as Narcissa is concerned, Snape is as gung-ho 
> about Voldemort as her husband is. 

I'm not sure she would think that.  Snape is not one of the most 
loyal fanatics who went to prison for Voldemort and he has been 
working in the enemies lair for years, while being her boy's head of 
house. He is clearly the safest bet for her to go to. And I would 
agree that there is probably some school history between them which 
would further soften his edge against her.

>So I do attribute a large amount of 
> bravery and gumption to Narcissa for just *approaching* Snape. 

I see it as more cunning than brave.  She tackles the situation in 
good slytherin fashion and with any level of Gryffindor bravery.

> Betsy Hp:
> Okay, yes Molly is on the correct political side of the fence.  
> She's not evil by any stretch.  Of course, it's not a hard place 
for 
> her to be.  As you point out, her family is there, so it's not 
like 
> she's had to go against the tide to get to this side.

Of course it is a hard place for her to be! She is working against a 
man so bad people stutter through his name.  The easy path would be 
to sit through it and let it be someone elses problem.

And for the record she is going against the tide of one of her most 
beloved son's and her goverment--the goverment that feeds and 
clothes her family.
 
> And yes, she's lost family members.  So has Narcissa.  In fact, 
her 
> husband is sitting in jail at the moment, and her son is in 
> immediate danger.  So it's not like Molly has the corner on 
> suffering for her cause.

You are essentially giving the same moral weight to Narcissa's 
murdering terrorist family and Molly's soldier family. thats like 
comparing the family of an american soldier and the family of a 
suicide bomber. they aren't the same.  Narcissa and her family is 
*evil*.  They have lain in a nest of vipers and are now experiencing 
the venom.

Yes, Narcissa is suffering.  My answer is so what? 

> Betsy Hp:
> I don't get that.  How do you see Narcissa as being in a safer 
place 
> than Molly?  I mean, both women are involved in the war, just on 
> different sides.  Either one could lose family members.  Either 
one 
> could die themselves. 

The difference is that they are on different sides of the war and 
Molly is on the right one.  Bad people have people in their lives 
who love them.  Bad people have mothers and fathers, and sons and 
daughters who care about them and who they in turn care about.  that 
doesn't make them any less bad people. Narcissa, Lucius, and Draco 
are bad people and therefor I have no sympathy for them.

  Remove the braces (or shrink the teeth) and voila: 
> classic British beauty for all the boys to gag over.  

And here I thought Classic British beauties had *bad* Teeth :) 

> Betsy Hp:

> I think if she's kept on a tight leash, Hermione can be an asset, 
> but she's got her boys so convinced of her superiority I'm not 
sure 
> they'd provide the guidance she so desperately needs.  

Oh, I totally agree with you on this.  Hermione is uber annoying.
 
> > Phoenixgod2000, who has finally found a situation where he will 
> > defend Hermioe and Molly.  Luckily no such situation could ever 
> > possibly come up for Ginny. 
> > <shivers slightly as a soul-draining wind swiftly begins to blow>
> 
> Betsy Hp:
> Too good to snip! <g>

I was talking to a student of mine the other day who was reading the 
HBP and she told me how much she hated Ginny and Harry getting 
paired with Ginny and I just laughed and told her she was getting an 
A+ in the class.

If she was Harry/Luna fan she wouldn't even need to show up 
anymore :)

phoenixgod2000 
> Betsy Hp (running off to deal with the deluge of tricker-treaters 
> <BG>)
>