Hiding from Voldmort / Moral Relativism (was:Re: witches of the world...

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> > >>Alla:
> > <snip>
> > As Phoenixgod said, bad people ( racists, torturers, 
murderers)    
> > have families who love them, so what?
> 
> Betsy Hp:
> I'm not looking at who loves Narcissa.  I'm looking at who and how 
> she loves.  I don't think Bellatrix expressed a good form of love 
> (pleased that Draco would die for her cause), I do think Narcissa 
> expressed a good form of love (risking herself to save him).

Alla:

Yes, I should have said and whom they love of course. See, as I said 
in the post which is the edited version of the one you replied to, 
mother's love to her son is something which is soo very essential 
part of human nature in my view that by itself it really does not 
impress me much. That is what mothers do ( or at least supposed to 
do) in my view - love their kids.
And I should say again, I know that it is not easy - love all the 
time, but this is my deep conviction - mother can be justifiably 
irritated, annoyed with her child sometimes and deservingly so, but 
**not** loving the child on the regular basis, as far as I am 
concerned is not normal.

And there is nothing else I see in Narcissa to admire. She loves her 
flesh and blood, big deal. I am serious here. Show me who else 
Narcissa loves, who does not support *purebloods rule, everybody can 
drop dead** philosophy. At least somebody to whom Narcissa is not 
related by blood. Heee, and we do know that she had no problem 
selling to Voldemort somebody to whom she **is** related by blood, 
so her love to her family looks quite limited to me.


> > >>Alla:
> > I mean, really does torturer and murderer ( Lucius Malfoy for
> > example) becomes less sympathetic character because he loves his
> > child? Why?
> 
> Betsy Hp:
> First, have we seen Lucius kill or torture anyone?  (I'm just 
> curious about that, because I'm really not sure where JKR is going 
> to take him.) But yeah, if we get a scene with Lucius that's 
similar 
> to the scene we got with Narcissa, he'd garner a bit more sympathy 
> on my part.  Because again, it'd be Lucius showing a glimmer of 
> goodness, the ability to love someone else more then himself.

Alla:

We had seen him watching Voldie torture Harry for example, I also 
thought he was out for the blood in MoM.

Betsy: 
> Like when Darth Vader sacrificed himself to save his son.  It 
showed 
> the goodness still in him and so Luke felt he'd won his father 
back 
> from the Dark Side.  Despite all the people Vader had tortured and 
> killed.

Alla:

I remember it a bit differently, because if it occurred that way, I 
would not really be impressed with Vader's redemption. Wasn't Luke 
sensing Vader struggle of good and bad in him way before Vader 
sacrificed himself?

That showed to me that good and bad fought in him on much bigger 
scale than just when he decided to save Luke.

Am I remember it wrong?