Hiding from Voldmort / Moral Relativism (was:Re: witches of the world...

[hickengruendler]

No: HPFGUIDX 160972

 
> Betsy Hp:
> Right, the way I see Molly (and erm, this won't be popular) she's 
> basically weak and stupid.  So Arthur put his foot down and threw 
> one of his son's out.  Molly's just going along.  She won't stand 
up 
> to Arthur when he takes a firm stand, but I seriously doubt Molly 
is 
> fully against the Ministry.   

Hickengruendler:

Wow.

I mean, of course you warned me, that the theory will not be popular. 
But have you ever seen Molly being to afraid to say her opinion? Not 
that I know of. And certainly not towards Arthur (or any other member 
of her family). And what you are saying is wrong anyway. Molly was 
not just going along. She tried to mend bridges with Percy a few 
times, but had no success. Sorry Betsy, but I really have no idea, 
where *this* interpretation is coming from. This took me completely 
off-guard. 
 
  
> Betsy Hp:
> Exactly.  I don't like Narcissa's beliefs.  But I do admire her 
> actions.  

Hickengruendler:

Like telling reacher to send Harry to the DoM? That's part of her 
actions, too. And I would call it evil, since she knew pretty well, 
that the Death Eaters weren't going to have a tea-party with Harry in 
the DoM. Actually, I don't think she wanted Harry's death here, I do 
not think she really wants anyone's death, but at the very least she 
didn't mind that Harry is in danger, which is not much better.

 
> Betsy Hp:
> For me Narcissa becomes more sympathetic because we get a glimpse 
of 
> good in her.  Yes, Narcissa's political beliefs are bad.  But she 
> puts them aside, undermines her leader, to protect her son.  And I 
> admire that.  I'm not trying to say Narcissa is the moral center of 
> the book.  But I can see past the political beliefs to see the 
> glimmer of something good there. 

Hickengruendler:

With this part I agree. Narcissa has at least shown *some* good 
quality, even if, as Alla pointed out, it is a good quality shared by 
90% of all parents. 

Alla:

Heee, and we do know that she had no problem
selling to Voldemort somebody to whom she **is** related by blood,
so her love to her family looks quite limited to me.

Hickengruendler:

Just a minor point, but she didn't sell Sirius to anybody. Sirius 
came to the DoM, because he wanted to save Harry. Narcissa is only 
indirectly responsible for this, because she helped luring Harry 
there. Getting Sirius to the DoM was never part of the plan, in fact, 
in the end it destroyed the plan, since with the arrival of Sirius 
and the others (and later Dumbledore), the Death Eaters lost and the 
prophecy didn't fall into Voldemort's hands. Of course Narcissa 
probably doesn't mind at all what happened to Sirius, but neither her 
nor any of the Death Eaters (except possibly Snape, if he's on the 
good side) or Voldemort himself had any wish for Sirius or any other 
Order member to appear in the DoM.