Snape's true love

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No: HPFGUIDX 161098

> > Alla:
> > 
> > Harry does not blame Snape's action on the life-debt, Dumbledore 
> > tells Harry that this is why Snape saved his life. Of course 
Harry 
> is 
> > going to listen to him, IMO.
> 
> wynnleaf,
> It is true that we aren't directly told what Harry thinks of Snape 
> saving his life.  However, since he certainly isn't "grateful" I 
> assume he must think *something* about it.  So I was mostly 
> speculating that Harry feels that Snape *had* to save him and 
> therefore his action requires no gratitude.

Alla:

Right of course this is as valid speculation as any others. I am just 
saying that the **reason** why Harry thinks so if he does, is because 
Dumbledore told him so because Harry simply did not know about life 
debt before.

And of course Harry isn't grateful. I understand why he is not and 
totally understand it - as I said, if I were twelve and the teacher 
jumped at me as mad dog at the first lesson, I would have to be 
pushed really hard to feel gratefullness toward his teacher, 
especially if he was doing his job, you know?

So, basically I think that the reasons why Harry is ungrateful are 
understandable, but certainly do not dispute that he feels no 
gratitude here.

What I also think, that if Dumbledore behaved a little bit 
differently here and pushed Harry towards feeling grateful, he could 
have been.

> > Alla:
> > 
> > I would be surprised if Harry will be capable of such despicable 
> > thing as hating innocent child. Harry already does not hate Draco 
> > Malfoy, while not having any tender feelings for Lucius IMO.
> > 
> > I think that Harry would have made an effort to not blame Snape 
> Jr. 
> > for the sins of his father. IMO of course.
> 
> wynnleaf,
> I agree that an adult Harry might not transfer his hatred of Snape 
> onto a child.  But I *do* think teenage Harry could transfer his 
> hatred of an adult onto that adult's child.  After all, even with 
> adults who he does not personally hate (Death Eaters), he is 
> completely able to believe other children are likely murderous 
> solely because they are the children of "racists" and use "racist" 
> remarks.  He didn't even know the parents were Death Eaters.  So, 
> yes, I could see Harry hating a teenage kid of Snape's if one had 
> existed, mainly because he hated Snape, especially if said son 
> looked similar to Snape.  

Alla:

Since you were arguing ( or I understood you to argue) that Snape and 
Harry hatreds are alike, I was trying to compare Harry and Snape on 
more or less equal footing, so yes, I was thinking of adult Harry of 
course.

I cannot think of the hatred that child feels for the teacher who 
attacked him, who started all that as anything **close** to what 
Snape does to Harry.

I believe that Harry has **much** more reasons to feel hatred towards 
Snape than Snape would ever be, that is why again I was thinking of 
adult Harry.

And sure, teen Harry may hate Snape's child, although again based on 
the fact that he does not seem to hate Malfoy Junior anymore, I am 
not sure if this is definitely true.

 
> > Alla:
> > 
> > In other words what I hear you saying is that you expect Harry to 
> > realise that he was wrong, wrong, wrong towards Snape, but Snape 
> > should be spared any such thing and should be alowed to merily go 
> > forward *alive* without realising that he was wrong about Harry?
> > 
> > Keeping my fingers crossed that this is not going to happen. 
Sorry.
> >
> wynnleaf,
> Why be sorry?  I don't want it to happen that way either.  Why did 
> you "hear me saying" that "Snape should be spared any such thing?"  
> I certainly never said that, did I?  What I said was that I don't 
> know if JKR will have Snape deal with his own hatred.  In fact, I 
> hope she does have him change his views of Harry and deal with that 
> hatred.  I don't blame Snape for hating James (at least based on 
> what JKR has shown us thus far), but I would like to see Snape get 
> over his hatred of Harry.  

Alla:

That is why I phrased my sentence that way, because I was not sure. 
Sorry that I misunderstood you.