[HPforGrownups] Re: My Take on the Whole Snape/Draco/Dumbledore/Secret Keeper Thing

[Marion Ros]

No: HPFGUIDX 161101

Magpie:

>>>Regarding the other theory in the thread about Snape and Lily, I 
think there's some merit to it whether it happened the way Alla 
described or the other way around. That is, I think that scene in 
the Pensieve where Snape calls Lily a Mudblood is significant, maybe 
the ending of a friendship that had happened before. If that's true 
I think Snape definitely would have chosen Pureblood ideology over a 
real friend--which is always going to be at the heart of that 
ideology. If you are going to judge people on their bloodline 
you're cutting *yourself* off from good friends.<<<


Marion:

Where do people get this strange idea that Snape and Evans were friends? Or that Snape was secretly in love with her?
Does it look to you or anybody on this list that Lily Evans even *knew* who Snape was in that Pensieve scene? 
Reread the scene.
First we see James showing off his skills with the snitch, all the while casting looks at some girls further on. Is Lily one of them? Probably, because not a minute later she storms into the scene. James has not been the only one casting looks it seems. Lily *knows* his performance is for her and she is casting looks *his* way, all the time complaining, no doubt, to her girl friends about that awful Potter Boy showing off again.
Then James and Sirius do their tag-team attack from the rear bullying thing with Snape and Lily Evans storms into the scene. And what does she do? Does she ask, "Oh dear, are you allright Snape"? Does she even *look* at Severus Snape? Is this about James and Sirius tormenting a friend or even a class mate?
No.
Lily rages on and on about *James*. About how AWFUL he is. About how much of a showoff he is. About the way he wears his hair and the way he wears his clothes and the way he acts. 
"Oh James Potter, you are just too AWFUL and I haven't been watching you like a hawk at all because how else would I know about your Quidditch prowess/hairstyle/etc.etc".

They are *flirting*! Lily and James are *flirting*!

Lily is so taken up in their little flirting game that she doesn't even realise that this is a real, live, human being lying there on the ground, choking on a mouth-soaping spell.

Now, to be the butt of a couple of bullies is one thing. To be the prop in a bully's little flirt is quite another. Aparantly Snape isn't even important enough to be the real object of this little exercise in How To Humiliate A Fellow Student. He simply is reduced to a prop in quite another game. A thing. He is *used* by both James and Lily. And he knows it.

So what does he do? He flings the foulest insult he can think of in her face. And it works. She snaps out of the flirting game, realises that this is a real human being that is being tormented just so James and she could have their little flirt and she is mortified! So what does *she* do? After she quickly slaps down Snape of course. She blows up at *James*. Because James is the culprit who lured her into the game and made her an accomplice.

Snape a racist who hates Muggleborns? I doubt it. I don't get that message from this scene. Snape in love with Lily? Why?! She hardly knows who he is. He doesn't even register on her radar unless Snape insults her with the worst insult he knows he could fling at her. She isn't there to rescue him. This isn't about him at all, this is about James and Lily. 
So why, why, why are people so convinced that this scene is about Lily 'rescueing her best buddy Snape'? There is *nothing* in the scene that suggests that she even knows him.
Why, why, why are people so convinced that Snape Loved Lily? *I* wouldn't love a self-centered little bint who used me in a flirting game with my worst enemy. And even if Snape *did* fancy Lily once, this little scene must've killed that off quickly.

Harry thinks Snape was 'evil from the start' because 'he called my mum a Mudblood'. Harry missed the whole flirting thing. Of course Harry missed the whole flirting thing. Harry, at fifteen, doesn't even know how to ask a girl to a frigging dance, doesn't know a thing about flirting, is as dim as a five watt lightbulb and gets totally the wrong things from the scene. As per usual.
But if it is one thing we readers must've learned by now, it is that what we are being *told* is totally different from what we are shown.

Marion 
who wanted to write some more about the so called 'Pureblood ideology' and that there is no such but who decided that this can keep for another post



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