That diary.....

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No: HPFGUIDX 161833

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, J <tidblgr72 at ...> wrote:
>
> > doug rogers :
> > Riddle might then have realized what he had done - created a 
horcrux 
> > - and then sought out information from Slughorn on creating 
others. (?)
> 
> Carol responds:
> That makes sense to me, especially since the original purpose of the
> diary was clearly to release the Basilisk. Maybe a soul bit was
> attached to the memory(ies) because Myrtle's death counts as a 
murder?
> Not a perfect explanation, but I don't see why he asked Slughorn 
about
> Horcruxes if he was certain he had already created one. 
> ==============================
> Jeremiah:
> 
> I don't know. I think that from my own reading of the text, that 
the Horcrux is deliberately created. I think this because a portion 
of the soul is extracted into another "object" and if you can just 
kill things and "woops I made a Horcrux" then where is Snape's from 
Dumbledore's murder?
> 
> Also, I since I feel that a Horcrux is deliberately created, then 
this rules out 2 things for me... 1) Harry is an "accidental Horcrux" 
(but I could be wrong... I'm wrong a lot). And 2) the Basilisk/Myrtle 
scenario was a deliberate murder if the Diary was created at that 
time. However, the Diary was not designed specifically to release the 
Basilisk but was created to do any number of things.
> 
> This also raises a question. If Myrtle's death was what created the 
Horcrux then that means the "Horcrx-maker" does not have to kill 
anyone to make the horcrux and must fracture their soul by other 
means/murders. Who would Tom Riddle have murdered before Myrtle to 
fracture his soul? This, we do not know. I only know that he used to 
frighten other children and terrorize them.
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Sue here:

Re Myrtle's death, while it certainly could have been used to make a 
Horcrux, remember that she just happened to be there in the toilet at 
the time and if Tom knew what he was doing, he would have planned it 
out very carefully in advance, perhaps luring some First Year into a 
quiet spot and letting go. I suspect that the "diary horcrux" was a 
later bright idea by JKR rather than planned out from the beginning. 
Otherwise, it would have been easy enough to have had Tom luring 
Myrtle somewhere, she has shown herself the type to get crushes on  
boys who have wandered into her area... ;-)
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