Dumbledore Does Lie (Re: What turned Snape)

[laurawkids]

No: HPFGUIDX 159028

Hickengruendler:
>snip<
> "My--our--one stroke of good fortune was that the eavesdropper was 
> detected only a short way into the prophesy and thrown from the 
> building."
> 
> "So he only heard...?"
> 
> "He heard only the first part, the part foretelling the birth of a 
> boy in July to parents who had thrice defied Voldemort. ..."
> (OotP US, p.842)
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>snip< 
> vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
> "Yes, there was a commotion outside the door and it flew open, and 
> there was the rather uncouth barman standing with Snape, who was 
> waffling about having come the wrong way up the stairs, ..."
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> Mike:
> I'm not picking on Hickengruendler here, this is just one post that 
> is typical of a lot of people's opinion of Dumbledore. My 
> counterpoint here is that Dumbledore *does* lie to protect others. 
> And, IMO, Dumbledore lied about what Snape knew about the prophesy. 
> The only person to protect Snape from is Voldemort. (He doesn't 
need 
> protection from Harry). 
> 
> Put it together. What might really have happened that, if Voldemort 
> found out the truth about, would put Snape in danger? I envision 
two 
> possibilities.
> 
> 1) Snape heard the whole prophesy but only told LV the first part.
> (Was DD lying back in the Weasley's broomshed when he said that he 
> and Harry were the only ones that knew the whole prophesy).
> 
> 2) Snape heard none of the prophesy (or only the last sentence) and 
> still only told Voldemort the first part.
> (Maybe DD was just lying about Snape hearing any of the prophesy at 
> all. Maybe Snape wasn't actually listening at the door and only 
came 
> up the stairs and into the room when DD called him and Abeforth. 
> Maybe Dumbledore was the only one who heard any of the prophesy and 
> decided which part he wanted released.)
> 

Laurawkids:

I'm not really going to argue about DD lying, doesn't every organizer 
of a top-secret plan to rid the world of a horribly dangerous and 
powerful loony have to keep a few things to himself?

I really want to say that there is a third way that Snape can hear 
just the first half of the prophesy:

3)  Snape has his ear or spell to the door and hears the first half.  
He hears the bartender coming and has to straighten up, thus losing 
the ability to hear what ST is saying.  Bartender asks a few 
questions (and is loud enough to drown out ST) and Snape gives 
inappropriate answers, thus angering the bartender who then decides 
to let DD know that he is being spied upon by shoving Snape into DD's 
room.  By this time Sybil is done, it really does not take long to 
speak the prophesy, and conscious of what is going on.  Then Snape is 
questioned and thrown out by DD. 

It could happen that way.  I think this is the plain vanilla way to 
interpret what is said about the incident.

I'm not saying it has to.  But it would be a way for Snape to only 
hear the first half of the Pr., be the one to tell LV as LV's man, 
and then turn to DD when he hears how LV interprets the Pr.

That would leave less lies/cover-ups to deal with.  

I do like the more complex theories about DD and Snape setting it all 
up, but have to also consider the plainer way.  

Laurawkids hoping that if Snape were still a baddie he got dragged 
thru the goat section of the bar.

PS - How about Snape being an animagus as a Thestral?  The same batty 
clues can still support the Thestrals' huge bat-like wings, "...vast, 
black leathery wings that looked as though they ought to belong to 
giant bats." OotP  There is no listing for Thestrals in Fantastic 
Beasts, is the ommision telling?  

OOOOHHHHHHH, might also explain Snape's tendency for ripping the 
wounded.  He has a bloodlust and Harry is damaged and bleeding.