Dumbledore Does Lie (Re: What turned Snape)

[Mike]

No: HPFGUIDX 159050

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Tonks" <tonks_op at ...> wrote:
>
> Tonks:
> DD is so real to me that I feel I know him well. We have been old 
> friends for many years. ;-)  And Hagrid will probably agree with 
> me when I say that DD would never do what you are suggesting.  DD 
> would never put anyone in danger, unless it was their will to be 
> in such a position.  We are talking about the epitome of goodness, 
> remember?  

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"What did I care if numbers of nameless and faceless people and 
creatures were slaughtered in the vague future, if in the here and 
now you were alive, and well, and happy?" (DD in OotP, p839, US)
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Mike now:
Sorry to burst your bubble Tonks. There's more of that in the 
previous paragraph. :-(


> Tonks cont:
> Also DD would not make a decision on the fly as you suggests, he 
> would not make a decision of that magnitude without careful  
> thought. 

Mike:
But what if he didn't have the time to consider all options? I 
suppose you could say he would choose inaction, but does that really 
speak better of him? What if he got a *this is it* moment and the 
thought of doing nothing was more repugnant than taking the chance?


> Tonks cont:
> I am sure when he tells Harry that only Harry and he know the  
> whole prophesy, DD is telling the truth.  DD does not lie.  I 
> understand that he did to save Harry, but that was very rare for  
> him. That was out of character for DD, and he did it because the 
> stakes were high. 
> He did it for a higher, noble purpose.

Mike:
Well, in my believed scenario, DD and Harry are still the only ones 
that know the entire prophesy because Snape wasn't there to hear it. 
He showed up after it was over. And DD is lying to Harry for a noble 
purpose. He's protecting Snape, not himself. And the stakes are much 
higher than expulsion from school, these are life or death stakes.

  
> Tonks cont:
> I can't say why the events don't jive, but I believe DD.  I trust 
> him, just as Hagrid does.  As Harry does.  I am sure that DD is  
> not involved in anyway in the death of James and Lily.  And I am  
> a bit surprised that anyone would suggest it. 
> 
> Tonks_op
> DD's most loyal, most faithful.

Mike, afraid that Tonks_op is having a Narcissa moment:
"Don't you dare -- don't you dare blame my husband!"