Dumbledore Does Lie - Sort Of/Why didn't Snape turn Harry in?

[pippin_999]

No: HPFGUIDX 159189

> Alla:
My books are still packed except HBP, but 
> didn't Harry refuse to answer question In CoS about voices and 
> didn't DD look into his eyes anyways?

Pippin:
No, there's nothing about Dumbledore looking into his eyes.

Alla:
> I find Legilimency extremely disturbing, extremely.

Pippin:
But wizards don't. It's a natural ability for them. Nobody thinks
it's creepy. Well, Harry does, but only when it's Snape. 

> > Pippin:
> > Trelawney and Harry could have given evidence that Draco was 
> > involved in an attack.  That's what Dumbeldore was waiting
> > for, because without proof he knew he wouldn't be able to get 
> > Draco to accept the Order's protection or  else send him to
> > Azkaban to keep him from being murdered.
> > 
> > Harry, meanwhile, was so anxious to get Dumbledore to agree that
> > Draco was plotting something that he neglected to report what 
> > Draco had actually done. 
> 
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Thanks for clarifying, but where do you get that if Dumbledore had 
> evidence he would have moved on it? Didn't he claim that he knew 
> plenty about Draco's activities, etc and as we debated earlier he 
> sure did not do anything when Ron and Katie were hurt?

Pippin:
Because Dumbledore did move on it once Draco confronted him.
He didn't have to try to persuade Draco to lower his wand, he could
have frozen him as easily as he froze Harry. 

What DD says is he was sure, but being sure is not the same as having
proof.  

Dumbledore could know that Draco had been given the assignment
to kill him, that Draco was being pressured by Voldemort to fulfill
his assignment and bring the DE's into the castle, and that Draco
was showing signs of stress. All that would make Dumbledore 
sure that Draco  had attacked Katy and Ron, but it wouldn't be 
proof of anything. Draco denied to Snape that he had anything
to do with it.  The only witness to Draco's assignment and Draco 
being pressured was Snape, whom Dumbledore cannot use for 
obvious reasons.

Alla:
> IMO Dumbledore was set on leaving the school and he did not change 
> his mind after learning that Draco done the job ( fixing the 
> cabinet), that is what crucial isn't it in order for the attack to 
> start, not whether Draco pinched Trelawney? IMO of course.

Pippin:
Huh?
If Dumbledore didn't know anything about the cabinet, how
could he know that the whoops meant Draco had fixed it? DD
thought there was no way DE's could enter the school. Presumably
Dumbledore checked before leaving that all his protective charms
were in place, so he would think that whatever Draco was whooping
about, it couldn't be the arrival of Death Eaters. 

> 
> Alla:
> 
> Yes, precisely - if I feel in my heart that Dumbledore end goals are 
> right, why should I necessarily swallow the means by which he does 
> it?
> 
> Pippin:
Nobody's asking *you* to join the Order <g>

But you cannot decide what is right for Sirius or Harry, either. If they feel
in their hearts that Dumbledore's methods are ethical and get results 
and they're willing to trust him on that basis, why should you feel that 
they're being forced to do something against their will?  All soldiers 
grumble about their lot, but it doesn't mean that they think they
should be running the war instead.

Pippin