Dumbledore Does Lie - Sort Of/Why didn't Snape turn Harry in?

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No: HPFGUIDX 159191

> > Alla:
> My books are still packed except HBP, but 
> > didn't Harry refuse to answer question In CoS about voices and 
> > didn't DD look into his eyes anyways?
> 
> Pippin:
> No, there's nothing about Dumbledore looking into his eyes.

Alla:

Okay, thanks.

 
> Alla:
> > I find Legilimency extremely disturbing, extremely.
> 
> Pippin:
> But wizards don't. It's a natural ability for them. Nobody thinks
> it's creepy. Well, Harry does, but only when it's Snape. 

Alla:

Yes, I understand about natural ability, not sure I agree that Harry 
does find it creepy only when it's Snape. I am not sure that before 
HBP Harry knew for sure that anybody else reads his mind besides 
Snape. He may have suspected ( looked at him as if he read his 
mind), but AFAIK did not know for sure and suspicion is not enough 
to think of something that may not be happening as creepy.

 
> Pippin:
> Huh?
> If Dumbledore didn't know anything about the cabinet, how
> could he know that the whoops meant Draco had fixed it? DD
> thought there was no way DE's could enter the school. Presumably
> Dumbledore checked before leaving that all his protective charms
> were in place, so he would think that whatever Draco was whooping
> about, it couldn't be the arrival of Death Eaters. 

Alla:

I snipped everything else, because it is agree to disagree moment, 
but if Dumbledore did not get that whoops meant that Draco finished 
the job - you know, seems quite logical to me - celebrating when 
something is done, how would he get that Draco pinching Trelawney 
indeed means that?

 
> > 
> > Alla:
> > 
> > Yes, precisely - if I feel in my heart that Dumbledore end goals 
are 
> > right, why should I necessarily swallow the means by which he 
does 
> > it?
> > 
> > Pippin:
> Nobody's asking *you* to join the Order <g>
> 
> But you cannot decide what is right for Sirius or Harry, either. 
If they feel
> in their hearts that Dumbledore's methods are ethical and get 
results 
> and they're willing to trust him on that basis, why should you 
feel that 
> they're being forced to do something against their will?  All 
soldiers 
> grumble about their lot, but it doesn't mean that they think they
> should be running the war instead.

Alla:

Yes, I cannot decide what's right for Sirius and Harry, I can have 
the opinion on that though :)

And I do have that opinion precisely because I do not get the 
feeling that they think that Dumbledore's methods are always right ( 
maybe not unethical, but not right sometimes) - as a support of 
course see Sirius wanting to tell Harry about Prophecy. I do not get 
a sense that Sirius does not tell him because he feels it is right, 
in fact he does tell him something till Molly basically interrupts 
him in effect with Dumbledore said not to, something that Dumbledore 
quite acknowledged at the end that was a mistake.

As far as I am concerned Sirius did not finish precisely because he 
forced himself to follow the orders, not because he thought those 
were the right orders. IMHO of course.

And as to Harry, sure, he is Dumbledore man ( still keeping my 
fingers crossed that I am my own man line will appear some where in 
book 7, but not holding my breath), I understand him trusting DD in 
general, he does not though trusts DD on everything thanks God.

JMO,

Alla