Dumbledore Does Lie - Sort Of - Trelawney Attacked

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 159208

---  "dumbledore11214" <dumbledore11214 at ...> wrote:
> ...edited...
> 
>  
> > Pippin:
> > Huh?
> > If Dumbledore didn't know anything about the cabinet,
> > how could he know that the whoops meant Draco had 
> > fixed it? ... so he would think that whatever Draco
> > was whooping about, it couldn't be the arrival of 
> > Death Eaters. 
> 
> Alla:
> 
> I snipped everything else, because it is agree to 
> disagree moment, but if Dumbledore did not get that 
> whoops meant that Draco finished the job - you know, 
> seems quite logical to me - celebrating when something
> is done, how would he get that Draco pinching Trelawney 
> indeed means that?
> 
>  


bboyminn:

I think there might be a miscommunication here, either 
that or I've completely lost the flow of this aspect of 
the thread.

>From Post# 159189 -

> > Pippin:
> > Trelawney and Harry could have given evidence that 
> > Draco was involved in an attack. That's what 
> > Dumbeldore was waiting for, because without proof he
> > knew he wouldn't be able to get Draco to accept the 
> > Order's protection or else send him to Azkaban to 
> > keep him from being murdered.

> Alla:
>
> Thanks for clarifying, but where do you get that if 
> Dumbledore had evidence he would have moved on it? 
> Didn't he claim that he knew plenty about Draco's 
> activities, etc and as we debated earlier he sure did 
> not do anything when Ron and Katie were hurt?

Pippin:
Because Dumbledore did move on it once Draco confronted him.

- End #159189 -

Again, I conceed that I may have lost the flow of the 
thread, but I think the point that was being made, 
relative to Draco's attack on Trelawney, is that there is
no law against 'whooping', that is not a crime, but Draco
attacked Trelawney and that IS a crime. Relative to this
incident, fixing the cabinet for purposes of attacking 
Hogwarts is irrelavant. Not irrelevant in the larger
scope but irrelevant relative to this isolated incidence
and whether Dumbledore hasa motivation to take action.

Since a clear 'crime' was commited, at teacher was 
physically attacked, that could have been the provocation
Dumbledore needed to confront Draco. 

Now that that is cleared up, I have to point out that we
the reader know it was Draco, Harry-The Suspicious knows
it was Draco, but there is no proof it was Draco. 
Trelawney didn't see her attacker. Still, Dumbledore may
have had enough background information or information
unknown by others, that he could have reached the same
conclusion as Harry, and as suggested, used that to 
confront Draco; thereby preventing the attack and perhaps
drawing Draco into protective custody  before things went
as far as they did. 

So, Harry neglecting to mention this aspect, Trelawney 
attacked, to Dumbledore is significant. We can't say it
would have altered things, but it is reasonably possible
that in might have been enough to prompt Dumbledore to
immediate action.

Sorry, if I've misinterpreted the discussion of this 
aspect, but when reading about this in earlier posts, I
had the same reaction that I have stated here.

Steve/bboyminn