Draco and Dumbledore WAS: Re: Dumbledore Does Lie - Sort Of

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> Pippin:
>
> I do not consider the difference between putting myself under '
> orders at the dictate of my own conscience as opposed to being
> dragged off without due process at the dictates of someone else's
> a doubtful luxury.
>
> I doubt that JKR, who has links to Amnesty International on her
> website, and is campaigning fiercely for the rights of children
> kept in cage beds, is quite as ready to discard due process or
> take a benign view of protective custody as you are.


Alla:

As I said, we seem to be taking a different view of what protective
custody or protection is, if you consider it the same as prison or
caged bed , then sure I am with you, but if this is the same as what
Dumbledore offers at the Tower, as in taking Draco and his sorry
excuse for the family to safe place, then **NO**, I do not consider
Dumbledore doing it even against Draco's wishes to be sufficient
analogy for the denial of due process.

But it is not even a given that he would have refused IMO, because
if poor dear was indeed already near the breaking point, as Murtle
reported, maybe Dumbledore indeed would have gotten through to him?

Who knows. The fact is he did not even try and that bugs me *a lot*


ETA:


I just reread your post and realised that I wanted to add something 
and I did not.

When I said a doubtful luxury as to Sirius **choosing** to be in 
that house, I meant that this was not a choice that Sirius really 
wanted to make,IMO. I think that was shown rather clearly in OOP.

 IMO He made that choice partly out of necessity, partly because 
Dumbledore wanted him too, but not because that was his conscience 
dictated him.  Sirius' 
conscience IMO dictated to him that he needed to fight just as 
everybody else.

He listened to Dumbledore instead, I respect him greatly for that, 
but Draco is in a very different place IMO.

In any event, Sirius IMO had a luxury of making choices, since he 
was not wanna be assasin when he had to make that choice. Draco, 
well, as I said above may be he would have taken that offer, if not -
 well, tough, as far as I am concerned.

The funny thing is that IMO Dumbledore sure demonstrated that he 
absolutely **can** make people's choices for them. Harry is the best 
example of course, I do not remember Dumbledore giving Harry much 
choice whether to stay with Dursleys or not( I am not even talking a 
toddler Harry, but Harry who is already in school), but suddenly 
when Draco is running around the school trying to kill him and 
almost killing two students, Dumbledore is hesitant about making a 
choice for Draco that truly **is** the best one for him, whether 
Draco realises that or not?

And again, I sure understand that this is how JKR wanted the story 
to unfold, but do I see internal logic in Dumbledore's actions?

Frankly, I have to answer NO, because if I answer Yes, than I have 
to say that Dumbledore's modus operandi is an arrogant **I know 
better all the time**.

JMO,

Alla