Draco and Dumbledore WAS: Re: Dumbledore Does Lie - Sort Of

[justcarol67]

No: HPFGUIDX 159854

Alla earlier:
> > > 
> > > Actually, I would like **one** example in canon that shows that 
> > > Dumbledore has a history of knowing what is best? 
> > 
Pippin responded:
> > He defeated Grindelwald. He removed the Stone from Gringotts 
before it could be stolen by Quirrell. He knew that Voldemort would
return and was prepared to take action immediately.
> >  He knew that Hagrid was innocent in Riddle's day and saved him
from Azkaban. He recognized that Sirius was innocent and could be
saved if Harry and Hermione used the time turner. He recognized that
Moody was a fake and rescued  Harry. He realized that Kreacher was
lying and rescued Harry and the other Order members. He fought
Voldemort in the MoM and rescued Harry -- is that enough? 
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Erm.... my question was where in canon it shows that Dumbledore
**has a history of knowing what is best**.
> 
> So, let's go through your examples - he defeated Grimdewald, indeed - 
> if we will learn that he indeed did without hurting many people in 
> process that is indeed a good one.
> 
> He removed the stone from Gringotts - you are joking, right? He 
> brought the stone to Hogwarts to *give Harry a chance to fight 
> Voldemort** ( paraphrase) - NO, I do not think that this is what was 
> best from within the story.
<snip>
> Oh, and no, Harry's heart saved him per Dumbledore himself IMO.
> 
> So, that leaves Grindelwald maybe, I guess that counts since I asked 
> for one example, but still really really not impressive IMO.
>

Carol:

Do you have canon evidence that DD placed the stone in Hogwarts to
test Harry? Surely, he really did need to get it away from Quirrell
and had he not had Hagrid remove it when he did, Voldemort would have
risen at the beginning of Harry's second year. Dumbledore only
provided Harry with the means of defeating Quirrel!mort via the Mirror
of Erised after he knew that Harry and friends were trying to protect
the stone.

Also, Dumbledore saved Harry from several AKs and drove Voldemort away
from the MoM. Harry's love saved him from possession, but Dumbledore
saved him from death. 

But if those examples won't work for you, how about this one?
Dumbledore provided the means by which Harry saved himself and Ginny
from Diary!Tom and the Basilisk--Fawkes and the Sword of Gryffindor in
the Sorting Hat. All that was required was to be in need and loyal to
Dumbledore, the enemy of Voldemort.

Granted, DD didn't find the CoS and destroy the Basilisk himself, but
only a Parseltongue could do that. He had to leave the school, but he
didn't leave it (or Harry) unprotected. He knew exactly how to get
Harry to summon Fawkes, who had apparently been instructed to bring
the Sorting Hat with the sword (which only a true Gryffindor could
pull out) concealed inside it. Very Harrycentric protections, don't
you think?

Carol, hoping that Alla will remember the relevant quotes from CoS and
that I won't need to look them up