Draco and Dumbledore/ Molly and Harry-Treated like Family

[a_svirn]

No: HPFGUIDX 160040

> Carol responds:
<snip> I mean that it prevented him from bringing
> additional dangerous objects into the castle. You snipped the part 
of
> my post which showed that Draco stopped endangering his fellow
> students by smuggling in objects like the necklace and the mead 
after
> Snape confronted him. I didn't mean that the objects were more
> dangerous than the Death Eaters. Neither Snape nor Dumbledore could
> have known that the precaustions they had taken would not be 
enough to
> allow the DEs access to Hogwarts. They did their best to keep Draco
> away from Dumbledore and to prevent him from pulling more (i.e,.
> additional) stupid stunts like the necklace and the mead.

a_svirn:
But neither of them could be sure that the precautions would be 
enough, could they? Especially since – as you yourself pointed out – 
they didn't know what it was Draco worked on. With so many lives at 
stake wouldn't it be more, well, logical, to err on the side of 
caution? 

> Carol:
> The lives that were in danger (other than Draco's own) were Snape's
> and Dumbledore's, and, yes, Dumbledore did what he could to protect
> all three lives, mostly by staying out of Draco's way. 

a_svirn:
By no means. Dumbledore could console himself with this reflection 
until Katie almost died, but not after that. 

> Carol:
Once Snape
> stopped Draco from resorting to other methods, the students were
> safe--until and unless the DEs got in. 

a_svirn:
How could he know that he'd stopped Draco from anything? He didn't 
have a clue of what Draco was up to. 

> Carol:
And Dumbledore took protective
> measures there, too. Note that the Order was on duty the night 
that DD
> left with Harry to look for the Horcrux. 

a_svirn:
Which didn't work, because they didn't know what exactly they should 
protect. And neither did Dumbledore. Yet he ignored the warning and 
sallied forth. 

> Carol:
And note that Snape's action
> (killing Dumbledore himself, probably on his orders) saved Draco 
from
> the DEs, after which he hurried the DEs off the tower before Harry
> could rush out and fight them and ordered them out of Hogwarts, 
saving
> Harry from a Crucio on the way.

a_svirn:
I do note it. If Dumbledore's and Snape's main concern throughout 
the year was saving Draco, then yes, he did everything right. 

> > a_svirn:
> > Yes, it's ever so much more pleasant to deal with professionals.
> >
> Carol again:
> Sorry. That doesn't answer my question. Snape stopped Draco from 
using
> amateurish methods like the mead and the necklace. Dumbledore had
> already increased the protections on the castle (locked gates,
> searching the students, eliminating owl mail. I repeat, what else
> could either Snape or Dumbledore have done? You're ignoring the 
fact
> that the students were safe until the moment of confrontation and 
that
> no students would even have been involved if Harry hadn't ordered 
in a
> few DA members. If it weren't for that, it would have been the 
Order
> vs. the DEs, and Snape got the DEs out of Hogwarts and off the 
grounds
> as quickly as he could, tossing in an extra lesson or two for Harry
> along the way.

a_svirn:
If the Order member could stop the DE they would have done it. As it 
was the DA members' contribution was very welcome. Certainly 
students weren't safe from the death eaters. Grayback was drooling 
anticipating throats to be ripped, and others would likely have had 
their fun as well. 

 
> Carol, surprised that you would resort to sarcasm and hoping for
> logical, canon-based counterarguments next time

a_svirn:
Sorry. I should have said that following your own logic Snape 
couldn't do much of anything because of the UV (which means that his 
surveillance was useless), and when he did interfere he only made 
matters worse, since thanks to his interference Draco graduated from 
amateurish stunts to professional terrorism.